Carbon does have four $11 FL Stud and Horse tournaments scheduled. Also a $15- $400 GTD 11PM FL Stud tournament. No idea if they ever run.

are there any sites where US players are welcome that offer Horse/8-game cash games? I see that Carbon offers Horse tourneys but no cash games. thanks for your time and help

SWC for now

Again: Winning Poker Network shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread. It's a proven rigged, bot infested, totally unprofitable site. Heaven forbid someone actually thinks it's legitimate and deposits money there here in 2018. Just never, ever deposit on WPN. Rigging, collusion, house players, bots, the works.

I am no WPN lover, In fact I did get fed by the recent DDOS thing and my whole roll was stuck there for 15 days without ability to cashout!
BUT,
When you accuse, please provide proof. I am not saying bring out court rulings, just post the link of where you think has been "proven" the things you said!
There are people (beside WPN themselves) who has direct income depending on network (like affiliates) which might get hurt by your post.
So I don't think it's OK to post a hate message without some kind of reference of proof.

There's no way to prove any of it and that's why the scam is so lucrative for these offshore companies. The fact is that longtime pros have called it a rigged site, have actively dissuaded anyone from even playing on WPN anymore, and I'm simply echoing the same thoughts. Bots, a rigged RNG, collusion, house players, etc. It's all happening on WPN and nobody can argue - rigged or not - that it's not the least profitable poker network on the entire internet. Nobody should deposit here until the network cleans their act up and decides to join the 2+2 community again.

Big guys not playing there anymore:
100% BS (sorry)
I know 2 personally :-)
2 of the topest you can imagine
Not being profitable: it's your problem :-)
BSing a network because you can't beat the games (neither can I, nor would I even try!) is just straight up ignorance!
Other things you say:
Post link of repetitive actions on them(like ChicagoJoey's post)!
That's all I'm saying

And all I'm saying is that WPN isn't even a part of the 2p2 community anymore after is was clearly, clearly determined to be a bs scam site by the majority of users here with their head not in the sand. It's a fact that this is the least profitable network to play on anywhere and I absolutely believe that's because of nefarious behavior that the site and many of it's players perpetrate.

Yes, network's official section being removed from the forum is a sign, but not a proof of anything
888 doesn't have a section,PP doesn't, hell, PS doesn't! Does it mean they are shady?

I still don't understand your reasoning behind "network not being profitable" tho
Tbf, I agree it is not "the most profitable network out there" but not profitable... Meh...
At the end, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that (and agree with almost 90% of what you're saying) but still believe if my words are going to hurt someone's income, I better have something to back it up before I post it publicly
Cheers

I agree with you fully on all of that but that's the whole nature of this poker scam beast at this point: You can't prove it. It's unprovable, always going to be left to "each player's opinion" and the sites know this ensures their practices will remain profitable.

Then why did you say it was "proven rigged"?

Of course rigging can be proven. It's not always easy, but it can be proven - and it hasn't been in the case of WPN.

Regardless, to say that WPN "shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread" is silly. Should we also remove its discussion thread and forbid all posts about it? This is a thread about where US players can play, and WPN is such a network. If people don't think it's a good place to play, they can post as much - hopefully without derailing the thread.


Edit to add: one further note of clarification - WPN's forum no longer being here is not because it "was clearly, clearly determined to be a bs scam site by the majority of users".

What was the actual reason then?

https://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue159/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ising-1703886/

I appreciate you posting that and as said in the unofficial WPN thread: I've said my peace and I'm not going to push this any further here. I will just say that what you posted - in essence - says that because so many players have suspected the same thing I'm saying I do about WPN, and that because WPN just refused to comment on this regardless of being bombarded with requests to do so, nothing's been proven. For many of us, that right there proves it enough as we know we'll never get any further proof and where there's billows of smoke, there's fire.

It's like in a lot of US states when it comes to DWI: You imply consent to a breathalyzer or blood test when you accept your driver's license. If you choose to refuse to take either test when asked to do so by a LEO, your license is automatically revoked by the DMV for one year regardless of whether or not you ever wind up convicted of anything criminal. Obviously, there's only one reason a person who was pulled over by a cop for driving all over the road at 2am would refuse to take a breathalyzer and any reasonable group of people knows that.

I hope this is subjective, considering I recently deposited into WPN. Would Like to hear more from other players.

The site definitely has a bot problem but it is probably not a big deal for you if you play lower stakes or MTTs/Jackpot Sngs. The rigging thing is really ridiculous and has no probable truth behind it, the forum moderator already made this clear. I wouldn’t worry if I were you, especially if grinding Mtts or playing for fun as the site is probably the best in terms of assuring that your money is safe, software, and promotions. Enjoy the site, just be aware if you see something weird and then post on here or contact security on the site.

You'll probably get more responses in the WPN thread in this forum. Actually, the answers you seek may already be there.

Whatever you do DON'T use GLOBALPOKER.com it is the worst website I have ever had unfortunate experience playing on. You will be constantly be disconnected in the middle of your hands and then auto folded and your money given away. It happened to me in $700 pot where I hit the absolute nut straight. Also happened to me in a huge pot I hit top set only to reconnect to see I've been auto folded and the guy won with top pair. Having a bad beat is one thing but to be disconnected and unfairly have your hand folded and your money given away is by far the worst experience I have ever had playing poker. This is a non stop issue and when you contact globalpoler they will make excuses and try and blame your connection when cearly it's them . It happens non stop especially on the weekend and at night when there are a lot of players.

Ya, I wish posts like this were around in 2016, I coulda saved a lot of time lol. WPN is a site I'd only recommend to a person if I really didn't like them cuz most likely they are gonna hate themselves for depositing there.

wpn microstakes are significantly harder than global. always figured there were bots.

Same here... I am having the most difficult time withdrawing funds. I'm able to play, but the withdrawal options page hangs on load. The reason, according to support, is that they're waiting to validate my info or I haven't sent them the photo copies they requested. Sent them all information they asked for 3 times - it's been 2 weeks.

I've come to the conclusion that I will not see that money.

What a ****en scam.

Of all of WPN's problems, getting paid by them is not one of them. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...cp-tp-1332245/

You can play in Michigan on just about any site, but state-regulated poker should come to that state in late 2018 or early 2019.

https://www.cardschat.com/news/michi...ng-poker-65265

I wouldn't play there. The games that are square are really tough (im0) and there has been collusion, bots, and other forms of cheating that have been confirmed and highlighted at a level that hasn't been attached to an unregulated off shore US facing site for at least a few years iirc.

Especially bc you have a new account, which indicates more of a newer internet player to me, I'm going out of my way to strongly advise you not to play on ACR.

The two best places to play any form of big bet poker are Global (softest games) and Bovada/Ignition (more traffic)

Carbon- Merge network- is another option.