american looking for legit site that is reasonable besides ignition/bovada. Have some black chip but I'm assuming bot infested.


Any ideas?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=6541

Disregard Big Ugly as an option and I'm not sure if Merge is accepting new players. Other than that I think the rest are all still legit options.

And I would wager a month's salary that no DA in the state of Washington is stupid enough to levy charges against him for this "crime".

Did you know it is still unlawful in some states to practice oral and/or anal sex? Some laws are stupid and meant to be ignored/will never be prosecuted because there is no political will.

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So Ive been looking for an alternative to ignition as I've been doomswitched on there (even though the games are soft). Ignition has good traffic . Bitcoin makes it easy to get money on and off. I don't like the anonymous tables and I've never experienced so many ridiculous bad beats.

I played on Carbon quite a bit a year ago and was able to play 7-8 tables most nights but now it is really sad. Hardly any games.

Black chip has decent amount of games but it is just loaded with 18/17 nitty regs or bots. I do get rakeback still on there.

I went on betonline and seemed to have hit or miss times for finding games. Don't really like having to pay for a separate card catcher. Couldn't find many games on a saturday night which can't be a good sign.

Just my two cents.

This probably depends on what stakes and game types you play. I mostly play 500NL and below. I usually don't have any trouble finding a few tables. If you are playing prime evening hours in the USA you can easily hit their table cap of 8 playing mid-stakes and below.

Try adding Global Poker to your mix if you don't mind not being able to use 3rd party software.

What are your opinions on Kings club? Legit? Good action and traffic?

I’m of the opinion that it’s a great site if you like to play mix games. They always pay, they never cry about this guy owes me so I can’t pay you or any of that bs. I don’t know how they’re able to accomplish this, but they spread games that no other sites spread - short deck and triton rules short deck, Archie, double board Omaha, pot limit badeucy, super stud 8, dramaha - a lot of Omaha variants and draw variants. Full tables run around the clock in 2-7 td, big O, mix, ofc, and LO8.

There’s more nl/plo traffic than there used to be, but Kings is primarily for US live mix players. The lowest fixed limit stake is $4/8. They cap the stakes at $30/60 fixed limit and $10/20 w an ante for big bet.

I’ve read and heard about so many messed up things occurring on the agent/club sites and Kings is the only one I’ve heard of that hasn’t had any shadiness approaching the levels of the Asian apps and even most of the public sites like acr, Chico, ignition/bovada. I primarily attribute this to two things:

1. Management is made up of some of the most trustworthy people in US poker. They are (well known) poker players who understand how to deal w possible issues before they metastasize into real and serious issues, like collusion, botting, etc. These guys aren’t using the site to do a momeygrab or look the other way on cheating, as long as the rake is coming in. They have made millions playing in cash games, not busto tourney players w huge egos

2. You can’t bot or use HUDs in these games. The reason all the botting on the Chico and acr type sites exist is bc the vast majority of the games are NLHE or PLO. Try finding a hud, bot, or live assistance software for 2-7 razz or badeucy. Recreational players on Kings very much appreciate that they are playing in fair games.

If you only play NLHE, then this site is not gonna provide enough action by itself. And most of the play is at stakes that I’d consider to be mid stakes+, although we see a growing contingent of micro/low stakes games. Among the vast desert of virtually unplayable unregulated sites w mass multi tablers, few fun variants, and bots galore, this site is refreshing. With WSOP only 1.5 mos away, it’s not a bad time to brush up on HORSE, 2-7 td, big O, stud, and 8 game.

Anyways, I’m going to give my post 2 shills up. My agent always pays in whatever currency I want and he’s some sort of moderator cuz his name is in green and when I asked to be in green, they said it’s only for moderators. It’s that kind of deductive logic that helps me beat the savants on Kings. Gl

I just googled kings club , messaged the person... and he’s from Russia.

Didn’t you say mainly US players? Weird that the first guy I talk to is Russian.


Dude now links me to some site called bigbetpoker

Wtf

Tried to look up Kings Club and found a Twitter link, they haven't tweeted since December 2018 - you sure they are still running?

No clue. Not even going to bother.

Lack of responses from people. Online poker for the USA player sucks.

Better off playing live sadly

yup, still up and running. i like macaubound's post earlier in this thread + i agree w/what he said. kings is a good spot to play mix games, and there's a bit of plo/nlhe/ofc too.


i don't know of any russian connection, and i don't know what bigbetpoker is - possible you found something different when you googled? anyway, hopefully you can get your questions answered here in this thread.

Kings isn’t owned by a Russian and there’s def no way to message him directly, without his phone number. Idk what it is that this Russian site popped up

I am most likely moving to New Jersey (possibly Las Vegas) in order to be able to play legal regulated online poker & have some questions.
Via research I see there are 5 or 6 sites to play on but I see conflicting information in relation to which of these share the same network. Could someone tell me which sites share the same network so I can deduce how many separate sites I could play on simultaneously?

Is there somewhere I can be referred to that shows the full MTT guaranteed schedule for these sites? I looked on poker atlas and a couple others but either these schedules are very limited or they aren't showing the schedule(s) in their entirety. I would like to be able to plan my schedule ahead of time.

I have seen that many if not all of these sites do not allow HUDs? If so, would I still be able to use Hold Em Manager 2 or Poker Tracker 3 for other purposes?

Thank you in advance.

In Vegas and Delaware I think your only option for a regulated site is WSOP(888). You can also play on that network from New Jersey too. I believe the other site options for New Jersey residents are PokerStars NJ, Party Poker NJ and Pala Poker.

You probably have to check their websites or their poker clients to find their MTT schedules. You probably have to find the rules on their websites relating to HUD usage. Each site may have a different policy.

Hi.

What has the best small limit best traffic rn besides Ignition... and how does it compare to Ignition?

I'm most interested in $.50 to $2.00 NLH.

I like the traffic and games at Ignition and so have put up with the interface, but I just lost about three days of earnings on an all in hand bc I misread the cards on the board, and that's about the last straw.

Thanks in advance.

Specifically in terms of where the US options rank in terms of traffc at all sites in the world it goes:

6. PaiWangLuo - Ignition/Bovada
9. Winning - ACR/BlackChip/True
14. Chico - BetOnline/SportsBetting

Global Poker traffic is not listed on PokerScout, but I believe it would be listed in the top 4 in terms of traffic for networks available to players in the US.

You also have some of the agent based sites and apps like PPPoker that have different clubs which get some decent traffic. You won't find them listed on PokerScout either.

22. WSOP/888 US New Jersey only
28. WSOP US - Nevada only
29. 888 US - Delaware only

I believe those 3 sites share their player pool so I'm not sure why they're still listed separately.

37. Merge Gaming - Carbon/Sportsbook/PlayersOnly (Not accepting new players as far as I know)
38. PokerStars (NJ) - New Jersey only
47. Horizon Poker - Intertops/Juicy Stakes
48. SwC Poker
54. PartyPoker NJ - New Jersey only
62. Grand Poker - 5Dimes, SportBet, Island Casino

There might be a few other small traffic networks as options that I don't see listed on PokerScout such as Nitrogen Sports.

https://www.pokerscout.com/

Is their any US facing sites that offer 8 game or 2-7/badugi/ any other off brand mix game stuff? im trying to learn and all the places i play now dont. is their a hole in a wall site anywhere that i can play that has these

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Regarding the Kingsclubpkr discussion ITT, do they have huplo20 and huplo50 games, and how often do these game run? like if i sit these games vs anyone will i be able to get action most of the day?

no, they don't have huplo tables

Not that their endorsement is golden or anything... but am I correct that both Brad Owen and Bart Hanson are repping kingsclub poker?

I think I saw them referenced on Owen's last vlog, and saw a kingsclub patch on Bart on LATB last night.

And Nick Petrangelo has some kind of security czar position with them..?

You have them mixed up. Nick Petrangelo was hired by an Asian site called PokerKingAsia, which has had some problems of late (see NVG thread).

Brad Owen is repping PKC, which is the US version of PokerKingAsia. I'm not sure what role Bart Hanson has w PKC, I just saw some posts in the NVG thread questioning his decision to rep PKC.

Kingsclubpkr.com is a completely different site, in many ways.

What sites would be best for mtt and stt these days. Preferably one where the pt4 actually works but taking all suggestions.

Specifically for MTTs it's probably the Winning Poker Network sites(ACR, Black Chip, True) when it's running properly. We'll have to see how long it takes them to get back to full speed after their recent software upgrade.

Currently for traffic it's Ignition/Bovada.

Global Poker runs some decent MTT series a handful of times a year, but there is no tracking allowed on that network.

Personally I'd suggest BetOnline or SportsBetting on the Chico Network. They don't have the biggest guarantees or the most traffic, but they offer a wide variety of MTTs(Bounties, Progressive KOs, Fast Fold, Time Limited, etc) and they have the best and most stable software out of each of these 4 networks I've mentioned. Their Sunday lineups should please most MTT fans, except those searching for super large guarantees and a wider range of higher buy-in type MTTs.

Unless you're a high volume player my guess is that the better SNGs can be found at Ignition/Bovada and then Global Poker. If high volume rewards are your thing then it's probably the WPN sites when running properly.

If you're in one of the regulated states then you might be able to find some decent tournaments on WSOP(888).

I thank you for your in depth reply. It really is quite sad that Americans don’t have any reliable easily tracked options currently. Acr is closest but not currently.