To pretend that any more than 1% of the players are making any money in the US market is lunacy. Nobody is making any money. Nobody is doing "quite well financially" from online poker. It's a completely unviable game in the US here in 2017. I know you want to promote the game but reality is reality. I can't even remember the last time I heard/saw poker referenced to in the States. Not in any social setting, not in any movie, tv show, news program, nothing. It literally isn't even spoken of anymore.

Exactly. I don't mean literally NOBODY. Just so few people that the game has faded away into oblivion. It's way, way too difficult to play on a site like WPN. The point is that ANY other activity you put that much time, energy, and money into would yield far greater results and MUCH more money.

Getting into poker as an American today is a totally pointless and fruitless pursuit unless you're right - part of the 1% of players that somehow magically manage to profit. AKA "House Players". It's so obvious what happens on these sites today that the game is dust in the wind to America.

I don't even know why some of you bother trying to sell the game to us anymore. It's long, long over and done with. That ship has sailed. No matter how many times you call someone a "rigtard" for pointing out obvious cheating and corruption, the fact is that the overwhelming percentage of Americans don't play online poker today because they're 100% convinced that it's rigged. So, either you need to find another way to convince them it's not, or you need to acknowledge that nobody is interested in playing a rigged game. One or the other. All of this software, strategy, research, GTO solvers, etc - It's for nothing. There's absolutely no market for any of it in the US. There are kids today who are 18-22 who have never, ever played a hand of cards. Tons of them. It's a very, very niche market at this point.

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Yeah, unfortunately that doesn't change anything that I said nor bring poker back from the grave.

Cat's WAY out of the bag (totally at this point) about what goes on here. House players + collusion + bots + cartels = online poker in 2017. Everyone knows it. The only people who profit are the 1% who are so bad at everything in else in life they have absolutely no choice but to sit and figure out a way to out cheat the system.

I promise you: If you take up poker as an American today, you'll make far, far less money than the guy holding a paper cup in front of Walmart. Guaranteed.

As for it's popularity: That's never coming back. If you think about it, No Limit Holdem had about the shortest lifespan of popularity of any sport or game in modern US history. What was the "boom" - 5 or 6 years? That's because, as I said, the game is fundamentally broken. We've reached a point where there simply *is* no point in playing.

Seriously, enough already. We get the point.

People may think you're being overly negative. Unfortunately you're not. I grind hard on WPN for a long time and I have not seen one person make it from low to high stakes. It's the same regs all the time at Hunl. At the top they likely have real time assistance. (I play mostly Hunl).

6max is full tables of 16-18 vpip regs. If you player 1/2 or higher usually only 4 tables if that. It's really crappy unfortunately.

The flip side. If anyone can grind up and make it on wpn you are one ****ing savage poker player and would absolutely crush anywhere else (with the exception of high stakes on stars). I hope to be the first as delusional as it sounds.

You've picked the toughest offshore poker site as a reference point. One with huge rewards, that encourages sharks to play and grind full time+ there. If one wants softer games, perhaps try a poker site where they do not encourage regs to grind with massive rewards. There are half a dozen other networks available to US players who have easier games (albeit typically at the expense of having big rake races/huge VIP reward systems).

My point is, you have other choices and there are plenty of people earning a living from online poker, while playing on offshore poker sites... I know and talk to many of them reguarly.

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Anyone have a recommended site for ACR rakeback?

you're eligible for the rewards plan (earn points, trade them for cash, copy of old pokerstars program) or the rakeback plan (flat 27% rb) regardless of whether you sign up with an affiliate or directly through the site. the only difference is that if you sign up with an affiliate you will be making them some money, and ideally they'll return the favor by helping take care of your cashouts, troubleshooting, and so on.

Anyone playing on this site? Looks like it launched early August

There is a rakeback request form stickied at the top of the Internet Poker forum in which you've posted this question!


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What are the top 3 sites for U.S. players to play small stakes Omaha on?

FYI....i tried ignition and really didnt like it, i tried BetOnline and it was ok....looking for a better place to play

also, I have read the stickies on where to play, but its old!

ACR

As far as traffic goes, ACR would be your best option
Ignition and Bovada are next.
BetOnline is an option too(that you are using)


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It's not like there are new sites popping up every day or anything, the same 7 sites that were recommended back in February when that thread was last updated are still the recommended sites.

I'll go ahead and toss you the same recommendation as everyone else has ITT and say WPN is your best bet.

I assume the rewards plan is better for low volume and the straight up rakeback is better for high volume?

I was under the impression that you needed to sign up with an affiliate to get the rakeback, like in the old days. I went to the ACR site and saw some info about the rewards plan but didn't see anything about rakeback. How would you choose the rakeback option?

Edit: I did a quick google search and apparently it's the OPPOSITE. Rakeback is better for low volume while the rewards needs higher volume to get the most value out of it.

The sticky may be old, but the latest posts aren't.

[QUOTE=synth_floyd;52771046]I assume the rewards plan is better for low volume and the straight up rakeback is better for high volume? ]/quote\

Actually the exact opposite. Flat rakeback is better for low volume players and the VIP program is the winner for high volume players.

They don't advertise rakeback on their website. America's Cardroom only advertises their Elite Benefits VIP program on site.

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is there any site for usa players that can deposit/cash out through your usa bank account, or paypal, or is it all bitcoin now. or some other method.

Sites still accept debit cards via 3rd party processors, which would allow you to fund a poker account from you US bank account. However, these 3rd party providers are foreign based so the odds of the transaction going through are lower and acceptance rate of credit cards is around 55%. None of the offshore US sites take PayPal, this new Global Poker site advertising on 2+2 takes PayPal because it's not a real money site... it's a sweepstakes site that happens to pay out real money through some legal chicanery. Bitcoin works very well and it's what I'd recommend you to use.

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thanks for the info, it sounds like the bitcoin thing is the best way currently. how easy/hard is it to withdraw to bank account via bitcoin. is it possible withdrawals wont go through, or take like weeks or month(s)?

also whats the best poker site for usa people now, for amount of players on it plus ease of deposit/withdrawal. thanks.

Bitcoin transactions usually take less than 2 hours to process.
I don't have a bank account so I comment on the ease of making BTC ro $ amount in bank account buy it should be very easy because there are a lot of exchange sites that does this. Including coinbase that most pple here use.
Deposit/ withdrawals are very easy in most of the site.
WPN and Chico network and ignition have the best traffic at the moment.

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what is this coinbase thing. thats another step you would have to do in order to deposit or withdraw from bitcoin?

for people that have bank accounts, if i withdrew $500 or something from bitcoin, or whatever other steps you possibly have to take, is that going to raise a flag or something at the bank at all?

i dont understand why a game between 2 or more people, not the casino, is currently banned online, that makes zero sense, i cant see at all how that is constitutional. and this is like 5 or 7 years or whatever that its been banned. what a hassle.

YouTube- WPN or Bovada/Ignition Bitcoin Deposits/Withdraws. Substitute Coinbase for Circle.

You need to educate yourself a bit more on bitcoin and the proper process for depositing and withdrawing. Here's a post on 2+2 that can help.

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RedChipper

Please read the forum https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/252/global-poker/, and the thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ained-1653219/, particularly.