Well if it's really bad worst case you can get your money off relatively quickly and switch. GL bro.

I think it's time for me to leave Bovada now, but I'm not sure where I should go. Bovada is super soft and I don't think my play there will translate well to sites with regs. I've noticed that Carbon has a lot of regs at 10NL. Are the 2NL, 4NL ACR games tough too?

Thanks!

I used to play 10 - 50 NL on ACR. I couldn't recall if all the way down to 2 NL was the same, so I observed a few tables at 2 NL just now, and I saw all the hall mark signs of reg infestation. One open raiser to 3x, everyone folds or one calls and its heads up, min raising from button, etc. I did not see anyone limping, people calling down with crap, etc.

I have built the majority of my roll on Bovada, and every time I have tried to play on ACR, I have had a lot of difficulty adjusting to the sea of regs. The problem is that yes, you can beat them, there's a lot of bad regs on there, but they're still regs and your win rate will suffer. I can't imagine that anyone's win rate on ACR, even with the RB / rewards factored in, will be anything close to what a good reg can get on Bovada.

why did bovada get rid of stud games??

Unable to size multi tables easily.

Lots of freezing,connection errors.

Hands mucked due to timeout on those issues,not checked.

Bet slider is very hard to navigate (could be partly due my pos laptop)but it is quite difficult and sometimes it just slides back after i set it

And this just may be a personal preference since i was used to grinding on full tilt but when you sit at cash it doesn't automatically organize the table so your seat is at bottom center. You just are where you are,which also contributes to the difficulty of multi tabling on here since you cant resize tables smaller due to the giant red box (which from what others say is there blackjack table.).i just get a red box with the nights nba games


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yup all what Zero2Hero13 said is accurate. I have a beast of computer in poker terms [like Witcher 3 may give me MINOR problems, haven't purchased it yet] and experience the same ****. Uggg im coming back here after bovadas aids. Seriously thinking of live poker though.
y u no player to player bovada? trust 22ers more than however ur supposed to do it there

I live in Delaware. What sites are available?

The first post of this thread would be a good place to start in your quest for answers.

But shouldn't 5NL be pretty soft considering it's 5NL. I know it's not bovada soft but that plus rakeback should make up for it.

I'm seriously considering live play too. I'm less than an hour away from Winstar in Oklahoma which I heard is super soft. Like a softer live version of bovada. I just hate that its so much slower and you cant multitable in your underwear.

Hello! I am currently looking for a good site to play on. I am not interested in bovada or wpn at all as I do not like them. I currently have an account on intertops (revolution) and I enjoy playing there.

Could someone please tell me more about grandpoker / 5dimes? There is no thread here on twoplustwo for the network/cardroom. I need a decent review please, google isn't helping much

I'm seriously considering live play too. I'm less than an hour away from Winstar in Oklahoma which I heard is super soft. Like a softer live version of bovada. I just hate that its so much slower and you cant multitable in your underwear.[/QUOTE]

Tried the live grind for a week and damn, its slow lol

Grand Poker is a small network whose players come solely from 5dimes, Sportbet and Island Casino. There's not a ton of traffic, but what exists is soft. I found a number of reviews searching for "grand poker network review" and variations there of.

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$1/2 at Winstar is very soft during the day until about 6 or 7pm when the regs come to play and I think Choctaw is the same. The super soft seats are the retired guys limp-calling ALL DAY and spewing their stacks...then they reload. The free coffee is pretty good too.

Interesting you mention that...I played live $1/2 in Vegas for the first time not too long ago, and in talking to a reg, apparently the same thing happens there. The players during the day are just hideous, and at night, all the regs who sleep during the day wake up to go hunt the tourists at night.

Well, I haven't played 5 NL in a very long time, so I dunno, maybe. However, I don't think there's going to be a ton of fish for you to get fat value from. Most of your winnings will have to come from bad regs who overvalue hands, make bad calls or bad folds, etc.

The argument is always that rake back should make up the difference...yeah I've done the math and it adds between 2 to 2.25 bb/100 to your win rate. If your base win rate is say 2-3 bb/100, that's not a very rosy picture, and very prone to variance.

If you could get a comparable win rate on ACR to what most get on Bovada, then yeah you're winning with RB, but you have to be pretty damn good to accomplish that. Personally my win rate is about 10-12 bb/100 on Bovada and I know I can't even get close to that on ACR.

Yeah I'll go play late in the afternoon around 3-4 and then leave around 7-8pm when the regs show up. I can't hang with those card room regs and I don't have a reason to either. I've got a local game thats super soft, so I don't need to make the card room trip very often to find a soft seat.

They sit down at 7pm and play all night. Those that stay at the hotel to play will sit there even longer, sleep during the day, show up at 7pm the next night. The other regs that show up at 7 to play a session, then go home for work the next day. Then they'll show up at 7pm the next night.

Just trying to get a seat at 2NL on ACR is a pain in the ass. I love the software, but it's so reg heavy that they fill every table, it sucks.

I can't beat the regs right now, that's going to be a learning curve for me; Bovada didn't teach me to play against those players and using a HUD is currently distracting. I'm not used to it. I will say that Bovada prepped me well for my local home game, the style of play is the same.

For me, it's probably only worth playing against regs to learn how to play against them and bring up my level of play, but it won't be for trying to build some cash. They aren't going to pay you off like the fish at Bovada. Maybe it's time for me to switch to tournaments...?

I'd love to jump to a soft site like Intertops or 5dimes, but I keep hearing the traffic is low.

Yeah I totally understand. A lot of people advocate tournaments because that's where the fish are always in abundance but I can't stand the variance.

ACR is definitely useful to play 2 or 5 NL or whatever to get better as a player. To win money and build a roll not so much. It's too bad too because they are superior in every way to Bovada except for the player pool.

Well, what's a good hud for ACR. Hopefully it comes with ones that have hand history converters. I'm all for getting better as a player. I may go back to bovada to build a roll once they work out the kinks and give me a deposit bonus.

That is interesting. What days are you referring to? Sat/Sun? I thought about that too. I just don't think there would be enough rec players willing to drive 50 mins on a fri/sat night to play poker when they can stay in the metro and run a home game. Plus there's a lot of other fun things to get into in the metro.

I'd think the best time for Winstar fri/sat nights would be around the holidays when tourist are visiting or if there is a big concert at the casino. Some random Friday night in January seems like it will only attract regs/sharks. Maybe the summer is different. This is all an assumption bc I've never played there.

PT4 works for ACR, I'm sure HEM works too.

Weekdays including Fridays, not weekends. Weekends are packed with regs, but there are some soft fish playing. I don't know about tourists, I'm guessing they're around all the time.

PM me and let me know where you are in the metro. If you're close enough, maybe we can get a regular game haha

Ok,

For ACR... I downloaded the poker client but don't see any tables? Do you have to make a deposit before you see live tables in the client?

Okay, I took the leap and deposited $100 on WPN

disclaimer: I play 5NL for now

First impressions:

It's not as smooth as bovada was a month ago. Seems a little slower but it's definitely playable. I'd definitely put up with it if withdrawals and bonuses are smooth.

The lobby sucks compared to bovada. It's just too much going on. Max out NL tables make no sense to me. It's very hard to get a seat on 6max. I placed myself on 4 or 5 different waiting list and only had access to play on one table during a 30-40 min session.

The play for 5NL still had bad players but they were bad nits. I didn't see many fishy bovada tendencies. But again, I only observed two or three tables. Maybe I didn't have enough hands for my opponents huds to clue them in on what to do against me.

Overall, I'll grind it out to hopefully increase the roll and get the 100% deposit bonus. I may or may not get PT4. I still want bovada to get its ish together so I can come back home.

My biggest complaint with WPN is the fact that I couldn't get an open seat to multitable. On bovada, I could fire up 4 tables and being playing on them within 5 minutes of logging on.

Might I suggest ipoker? Deals are heavenly and plenty of reputable skins. Problem was I cant play anymore there because of "changing rules and regulations" in Canada. What a bunch of hooey if you ask me, but I will say Betfair was a pleasure to play on. Support is top notch and withdrawals were typically a couple business days tops.

I'm on Bodog atm but I think I definitely chose poorly given the reviews. I really wanted to get a good session in today though so I'll just live without sound notifications and random intermittent freezes (3-4 seconds or so). It probably has a lot to do with having an older operating system (Xp) but honestly I've never had issues anywhere else. If anyone knows of a fix or if Bodog will update, please do tell.

An advantage of waiting for tables on WPN compared to Bovada though is that on WPN you can put yourself on waiting lists which makes the whole process a lot less work.