It is highly likely that existing accounts will be grandfathered in. New accounts may not be permitted. Some sites may still permit new accounts, but restrict them to crypto-currency only deposits and withdrawals so as not to violate UIGEA.

Very few sites did this. Most sites just grandfathered in existing players and allowed them to continue to play. Though some did cease allowing deposits, even from grandfathered in players.

You might want to mention what state you are residing in so that someone can better assist you.

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Kahn

It's in the title of his post; in his partial defense, that was originally in the title of his thread. Only partial defense, since he saw fit to start an unneeded thread.

Is WSOP the only regulated site in Nevada?

Yes, sadly.

LOL, that just made me realized that the DE online sites are just skins of WSOP. I wish they had some traffic on that site, there is literally no advertising for it tho in my state. I see NJ online poker ads ALL THE TIME and can remember only 1 or 2 times I've seen any advertising for the NV/DE site. It's like they don't want money.....




SpillJivey, do they ever advertise over in NV?

So can anyone give me a child's version of how/why we are allowed to play legally on these sites? (I play on Ignition and ACR).....

Everyone I give any indication to that I dabble in online poker, immediately just says "dude that's so illegal you know..."

And I'm like no! it isn't! BUt I can't exactly explain.

Anyone? IS IT LEGAL? LOL I was under the assumption these sites were operating under a loophole and that they, not us are liable yadda yadda. Is that way off base?

Guys, are there any "Fast Fold" cash games out there next to Ignition or is Ignition the only provider for such games?

It's not illegal to play online poker in the U.S. with the possible exception of the state of Washington. What's illegal is the transfer of funds by banks to/from gaming sites due to UIGEA.

Sometimes I forget that you guys move other threads into this one. Rarely do I bother looking at a post title within an existing thread since they rarely ever differ...

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Kahn

What's to explain? It's legal.

The UIGEA made it illegal for financial institutions to send money to/from poker sites, so it's more difficult to deposit and withdraw than it used to be. Other than that, nothing's changed. It's been illegal in Washington for a long time, and there might be one other state, but other than that, anyone who tells you it's illegal is misinformed.

Oh, I should add that I'm not sure what regulating of online poker changed in the relevant states (NJ, DE, NV), but I assume it's just the unregulated sites themselves that would be in contravention of any law there, as opposed to the players.

Yeah, that was meant as an informational post rather than an admonition, in case I wasn't clear.

Intertops and Juicy Stakes, on the Horizon Network, have a version of fast fold poker. Unfortunately, they have very little traffic and it rarely ever runs. Ignition and Bovada, on the Pai Wang Luo Network, are the only two sites where there is any traffic to speak of within the USA for fast fold poker variants.

Before you ask, Bovada and Ignition have the same player pool so it matters not which skin you access the network from... same games.

Child's Version: In the absence of a law making something explicitly illegal, it is legal.


Clarification: It is legal for citizens to engage in online poker in most jurisdictions within the United States. Operating such a website is likely a different story. (Disclaimer, this is of course, only an opinion, as I am not a Supreme Court Justice nor a practicing attorney).

There are many an essay on the legality of online poker to be found on the Internet with simple search terms which I shall omit providing because they may lead you back to websites I have financial interests in.

Instead, what I would recommend to you is to use the search feature of 2+2 in order to find the plethora of detailed opinions on this topic which have been espoused on this esteemed forum (some in this very thread). Alternatively, sites like Quora, Reddit, Yahoo Answers, and a jillion other websites have information and discussions on this topic as well where you could cross-reference your findings.

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Kahn

Thanks for the answers guys!

I am an American going to Mexico for 6 months and thought I would be able to play on Stars. They are saying not unless I submit documents to move there permanently?
Has anyone done this or are there other sites I can play on?

can people who play on pokerstars NJ, can they play with people on the regular global pokerstars pool?

I suspect the loophole-seeking is linked to the new presidency and the shakeups at the DOJ which followed. Any truth to this, Kahn? Are they more lenient towards "e-commerce" now?

ffs. no.

Do the Nevada sites ask for your SSN when you sign up and if so do they send you a tax form at the end of the year?

I'm wondering how much bookkeeping of (potential) profit I would need to do on my end.

I am a PA resident and want some place to play before things pick up at PokerStars and 888. I don't want to play Global and don't have Bitcoin. Is there realistically a place to deposit with a CC and withdraw funds easily? Or should I just wait?

not sure why you wouldnt want to play global, unless its bc you dont have/want paypal for cashouts. you can still deposit with a credit card on global without having paypal, theres a spot on the deposit page to use a cc card, once the deposit gets into motion a little.

You need to get a copy of your lease and a utility bill (or bank statement works really well). To cut them off with many possible objections, I highly recommend that you get your documents notarized by a local notary before submitting them to Stars. Your realtor can probably help you with this if you're moving to one of the standard expat cities that poker players move too.

No. None of the US regulated states share liquidity with any other country. And they do not share liquidity among themselves (only the smallest state, DE, currently shares liquidity with NV).

The DOJ had already loosened its stance on online poker. In fact, they did so the same year as Black Friday! The Wire Act was reinterpreted NOT to affect state lotteries, or online poker.

Still, I don't see anything happening on a Federal level any time soon. I think we're probably one good recession away from much of this gambling legislation falling by the wayside too.

You always need to do proper bookkeeping. Regardless of whether they take your SSN, it is your responsibility to keep records and pay the appropriate taxes on your winnings. Failure to do so can result in fraud charges from the IRS... and that is a can of worms you do not want to open.

You can buy Bitcoin with a credit card. There are many guides that will teach you how to purchase and use bitcoin for online gambling/poker.

There are also probably 4-5 networks (a dozen sites) that will take credit card deposits, depending on what state you reside in. All the major US networks and sites take CC deposits.

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Kahn

I am brand new to NLHE, I have been trying to learn it for less than 2 months. I have been losing pretty badly to even the micro stakes to be honest. I want to be able to see my statistics and figure out where my leaks are. Also it would be helpful to get some hand histories on my position as well.

I know there is some controversy on if that should be allowed or not, but as long as it's allowed on the particular site I'm playing on I don't see the problem. Also please spare me the "you don't need a tracker, just learn it this way" crap that I see coming a mile a way. Thank you for your answers, I appreciate it.

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Great someone moved my thread over here. Well whatever, same question I guess. Which sites work with pokertracker? Betonline maybe? Are they legitimate?

pokertracker.com
holdemmanager.com

They both list the sites they work with. Neither are in the business of providing tracking for shady sites.


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Kahn

Both also have support threads in our Commercial Software forum:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...cial-software/

WSOP keeps track of your wins/losses and will give you a printout. Only scared nits do bookkeeping. If you file pro like me you just net wins and call it a day. Super easy. You have less than 1% chance of getting audited in your entire life so it's really not worth worrying about if you're paying your taxes in good faith for the most part. If I was recreational I'd still only net my wins and just play dumb if audited. As long as you're paying you're not going to get into any real trouble. Tax nits are the worst. The worst of the worst are the ones that actually keep accurate records of live sessions.

The other dozen US poker sites besides WSOP don't provide a quick and easy printout and people need to keep records.

Also, clearly you have a higher risk tolerance than many other people. Having to deal with the IRS is expensive monetarily (CPA, tax attorney, fines, fees, etc), time consuming, and stressful.

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Kahn

Hello,

I used to be rather active here. Life got busy and poker took a back seat. I am a US player (illinois) wanting back in. Looking for WSOP/WPT type satellites, some cash games, bonuses, and PokerTracker compatibility. Where to play?