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11-15-2017 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Virtue Poker
First, I very much respect the amount of time you've put into looking into our company, and your thoughtful questions. You seem dedicated to seeing a decentralized poker platform work in the market, and when ready I invite you to be a beta tester of the platform (along with anyone else who is interested). We are not against open source, we are just to far from launch to commit to that, also we need to understand the legal ramifications of publishing open-source software that could be used for online gaming. Lastly, I will publish the announcement of our advisors and new team members here later this week or early next week at the latest. We are adding a very big name pro to our team, which we will be announcing on Thursday, as well as several academics with backgrounds in cyber security and cryptography. Also -- we promise to be much more responsive here for all future questions moving forward, as we see building a new poker platform as a community effort, and we want to get it right.
Thx, I'll perceive the invitation as a beta tester. Please send me an email when beta testing starts (Ryan has my email address).

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Originally Posted by MiXeR
So, why not run on tangle formation instead of blockchain? It seems to me this would solve the problem of games speed and it would be cheaper too, maybe even more secure - decentralyzed. Is tangle formation too new and not tested yet (it is only used by IOTA currency)? Maybe it is not supported by Etherum or?
AFAIK tangle has no tx finality like PoW but it will only be secure if the network is massively adopted and we are far away from that. Furthermore it currently runs on a centralized coordinator, so they have not proven at all that the Tangle is somehow secure with the current network adoption. We want a decentralized solution not a centralized coordinator. Another point is that the whole ecosystem is not very well researched or developed. It will be a hard time for Ethereum to convince people that there is no room for PoW in this world, it will even be harder to convince people to use a Tangle network if this is not entirely impossible, b/c AFAIK the security of the network emerges with scale (due to hardware constraints it gets more unlikely to execute an successfull attack - Keyword omnipresence. The devs say Omnipresence is needed to execute an successfull attack) and it's really hard to imagine/understand for the avarage joe that this system can actually be secure. That may be one reason why they target IoT. With a tangle you also rely on snapshots of third partys (b/c your node will not be able to store all tx's due to the heavy amount of micro-tx's that is a result of mininum fees), which is also debatable if this is what we actually want. Smart Contracts are AFAIK also currently not available.

You see, tangle is in my opinion nothing that will power Dapps in the next 10-20 years. I can be wrong, but that's my current opinion. Their current focus is AFAIK on getting companies on board that utalize the Tangle for their IoT projects.

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11-15-2017 , 10:59 AM
Invader thank you for all that info, I am not that deep into this subject so I was more asking than suggesting...

And mister Virtue Poker I would like to join as a beta tester too, if possible?
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11-15-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Invader

AFAIK tangle has no tx finality like PoW but it will only be secure if the network is massively adopted and we are far away from that. Furthermore it currently runs on a centralized coordinator, so they have not proven at all that the Tangle is somehow secure with the current network adoption. We want a decentralized solution not a centralized coordinator. Another point is that the whole ecosystem is not very well researched or developed.
My understanding is this is exactly how the Virtue Poker Jury system works.
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11-15-2017 , 07:34 PM
i saw the promo video on youtube...all the comments give me goose bumps lol hundreds if not thousands of fake biased comments !
i dont belive in the product either ,it is build to cheat !
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11-16-2017 , 12:09 PM
Happy to announce we have added Phil Ivey as a strategic advisor to our team!

Will get back everyone with answers to your questions later this week, apologies on the delay.

Write-up on PokerNews:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...ivey-29355.htm
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11-16-2017 , 01:08 PM
Looking forward to discussing your "jury" solution. You've announced a big name but haven't expounded on whether or not you are using a tried tested and true solution or if your proposal is novel and therefore the security algorithm is untested.

Kinda feel like you are doing things backwards here.
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11-17-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Virtue Poker
Happy to announce we have added Phil Ivey as a strategic advisor to our team!

Will get back everyone with answers to your questions later this week, apologies on the delay.

Write-up on PokerNews:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2017/...ivey-29355.htm
Great! A Baccarat Cheat! Nice to know someone would turn a blind eye to cheating as long as they get paid.

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Edit/MH: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...loses-1254448/

Last edited by Mike Haven; 11-21-2017 at 02:34 PM.
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11-21-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nooseknot
Looking forward to discussing your "jury" solution. You've announced a big name but haven't expounded on whether or not you are using a tried tested and true solution or if your proposal is novel and therefore the security algorithm is untested.

Kinda feel like you are doing things backwards here.
Take a read: https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.06726

We've added Andrew Miller (PhD in Cyber Security, Advisor to Z Cash), and Iddo Bentov (PhD candidate in cryptography) from Cornell, to our team and will be having them work on our shuffling protocol. We will release more details soon.

Let me know what you think of their paper.
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11-21-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Virtue Poker
Take a read: https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.06726

We've added Andrew Miller (PhD in Cyber Security, Advisor to Z Cash), and Iddo Bentov (PhD candidate in cryptography) from Cornell, to our team and will be having them work on our shuffling protocol. We will release more details soon.

Let me know what you think of their paper.
I think that paper doesn't use the jury based model and they are distinct solution from each other (ie that paper doesn't need a jury pool etc.). I'm curious if I am correct.
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11-21-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lvanhoe
hodl
Lol, wish I had listened to the hodlers .
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12-26-2017 , 01:29 AM
We'll all be hodlers soon enuff
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12-26-2017 , 02:46 PM
Ethereum has raised in popularity; might end up costing too much to pay for every money movement? Changing to another one like Ripple? that is used by some banks, also strangely having raised in popularity although not costing but one euro per coin. And so keep changing? Or go for centralized as far as the money goes? Some other solution perhaps.
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12-28-2017 , 06:59 PM
Taken from their TOS when you attempt to register for their VPP...

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The price of VPP Tokens shall be denominated in Ether. During the Purchase Period, a contribution of one (1) ETH shall entitle the Purchaser to receive such number of VPP Tokens as determined by the VPP Token allocation mechanism set forth below. The initial price will be 1 ETH = 11.53 VPP Token with the price per VPP Token decreasing as the sale goes on. All users will receive VPP Tokens based on the final price per VPP Token at the time when either of the Completion Conditions is first met. A Purchaser's final VPP Token allocation will be calculated by multiplying the Purchaser’s total ETH contribution by the final VPP Token price. Notwithstanding the previous sentence, the following bonus structure will apply (the “Bonus Allocation”):

a) contributions greater than or equal to 150 ETH will receive a 10% bonus on the final number of VPP Tokens a Purchaser receives from the token sale;

b) contributions greater than or equal to 600 ETH will receive a 15% bonus on the final number of VPP Tokens a Purchaser receives from the token sale;

c) contributions greater than or equal to 1500 ETH will receive a 20% bonus on the final number of VPP Tokens a Purchaser receives from the token sale;

d) contributions greater than or equal to 3000 ETH will receive a 25% bonus on the final number of VPP Tokens a Purchaser receives from the token sale; and

e) contributions greater than or equal to 5000 ETH will receive a 30% bonus on the final number of VPP Tokens a Purchaser receives from the token sale.
With Ethereum currently trading at (now) $734.85 USD, are we saying I have to pay a minimum of $734.85 USD to buy a minimum of 11.53 VPP tokens? Or can I invest say 0.01 ETH for what that is worth in VPP given the day of the trade?

Further to that, if I wait 2 days and Ethereum drops or rises 10% in value, did I just make or lose value in my VPP tokens? I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Virtue Poker VPP Tokens fix the volatility of playing poker with a cryptocurrency.
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12-28-2017 , 11:40 PM
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14. Risk of an unfavourable fluctuation of Ethereum and other currency value: Virtue Technologies intends to use the contributions received to fund the development of the Virtue Poker Platform and various other operating expenses. The contributions received will be denominated in ETH, and may be converted into other cryptographic and fiat currencies. If the value of ETH or other such currencies fluctuate unfavourably during or after the Purchase Period, Virtue Technologies may not be able to fund the development of, or may not be able to maintain, the Virtue Poker Platform in the manner that it intended, in which case the VPP Tokens may lose all or part of their value.
Correct me where I am wrong but this almost reads like your company and players are all subject to the volatility of Ethereum's value. In other words, if ETH fluctuates unfavourably then Virtue Poker may chose to close its doors and you get to keep your $0 value VPP as souvenirs.
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12-29-2017 , 12:10 AM
I'm glad to see more and more crypto poker projects coming up. Crypto poker is future and ETH is Windows and IOS, while BTC is like DOS.
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12-29-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Feelsbadman
I'm glad to see more and more crypto poker projects coming up. Crypto poker is future and ETH is Windows and IOS, while BTC is like DOS.
Sounds like you're bashing DOS.
DOS = Awesome.
Thoughts of DOS fill me with nostalgic glee of a simpler time.
Ahhhh the memories...
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12-31-2017 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jinjerjohn
Sounds like you're bashing DOS.
DOS = Awesome.
Thoughts of DOS fill me with nostalgic glee of a simpler time.
Ahhhh the memories...
DOS was awesome. I wish the Internet was like BBS's were back then...
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12-31-2017 , 11:44 AM
So, the same kind of a money system as CoinPoker has. The cryptos (other than the tokens) as so are not at all used for playing.
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01-02-2018 , 01:39 PM
Etherum FTW!
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03-01-2018 , 02:08 PM
Hey Everyone,

Checking back in. We will be moving to a private alpha in the next few months. For those looking to learn more about blockchain based gambling apps, check out the podcast on bitcoin.com:

https://podcast.bitcoin.com/e37-The-...r-Virtue-Poker
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03-01-2018 , 02:22 PM
Hope you will have Sngs in your site! Thatd be a competetitive advantage over CoinPoker, and Daniel Coleman would be ashamed if you dont have them
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03-21-2018 , 07:22 AM
Just received an email from Virtue Poker:

"...The first phase of our token sale will begin on April 25th, 2018 at 10am EDT..."

Also:

"...we will be launching our alpha on May 22nd, 2018. Anyone who participates in our token sale will be given exclusive access to the Virtue Poker Private Alpha..."
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03-22-2018 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Smokedtruth
Hope you will have Sngs in your site! Thatd be a competetitive advantage over CoinPoker, and Daniel Coleman would be ashamed if you dont have them
Generally, I favour MTTs, not liking the more math based 1-table tourneys, plus I like to know when the tourney starts, that is some idea for heads up S&Gs, too. Only NLH (that is just one form) has major action here. The mixed tourneys (rather than run into specialists when playng for fun) are nice but have little action even at stars, and heads up it isn't long and deep enough to be worth playing.
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04-12-2018 , 02:12 PM
Hey Everyone,

We announced we are giving away tickets to the WSOP main event this year, hoping you guys join our community:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/...t=pn-hp-hero-4
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04-12-2018 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Virtue Poker
Hey Everyone,

We announced we are giving away tickets to the WSOP main event this year, hoping you guys join our community:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/...t=pn-hp-hero-4
I just posted this in the Business and Finance Altcoin Thread too.
https://medium.com/@VirtuePoker/buy-...p-141141f01a97
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