So it took you a long time to get 200 hrs, yet you heap praise on a site who will pay you when you hit 10k hrs???

Well I'm guessing it's easier to get viewers playing on GG than on RIO because it gets more action?

At least some of the streamers that play cash and have more viewers on twitch are playing on GG, but they were already know for streaming on Party and Stars before being payed by GG to stream though.

8000 watch hours on RIO is 100% rakeback, which is 100 effective rakeback, which means you end up with around 30% rakeback, and you actually end up with nothing unless u rake over 600 deposit bonus , gg pays out 5k to 10000 watch hours

Stars give 4% rakeback. Rio gives 85-95%. Games are not unbeatable at PLO50 and lower.

StreamR doesn't give huge payback if you have deposit bonus active. If you stream only for the StreamR money, I don't think it's worth it.

RIO is still in beta, and hasn't advertised anywhere, and offers only cash games. Of course the traffic is low. Once they get sng's and mtt's out and start to advertise, we could see whether the traffic gets up or not.

I don't think OP is a troll, as he is a legit StreamR. But if he thought that RIO would have soft fields and came for easy rakeback (not satisfied with 85,5%, lol) it is not RIO's fsult that his expectations were not fulfilled. He demands that RIO gives him 300€ back cos he couldn't beat the games and didn't read T&C is absurd. Literally he is complaining that he didn't understand exactly how rakeback and promotions work and got 85,5% rakeback.

My message about 35/35 doesn't mean I am upset. It just lowers the StreamR rakeback, but total rakeback is 95%. If I had problems with small StreamR value, I could just simply stop streaming.

You got it wrong. StreamR rakeback is from the rake outside other promotions and splash money. So lets say you rake 1000 a month. Normal splash is counted as 51%. Deposit bonus is 20%, meaning that when you rake 50 you get 10 as bonus. 1000 gives you 200 as deposit bonus. Splash is 510. After those you have 290 left from your total rake. StreamR is calculated from that, and 50% StreamR gives you 145.

Is RIO down for anyone? seems like I can't connect to their server

Thanks

Yeah, appears to be issues. Best to check Discord for latest updates.

We all know who you are

deceived 123

Did they not even give you 10 eur? That's their usual gift after shafting you!

Are you Nutraisin, Aruklas or Andreas? Are there any others that streamed plo50? Just for the record there aren't many players that were streaming plo50 on twitch.

Just downloaded this and there is literally one player on the entire site.

There are 20 now.

It's almost as if the player base is mostly European and people are asleep on a Sunday morning. At least you don't have to worry about house bots huh?

Sorry to say this by me not getting good feelings about the future and fate about this site...

Its been so many months since its launch and they literally have no traffic and liquidity. Just only few cash games and a few players.

They have no tourneys. Looks like they need to raise funding from PE, VC etc.

I wish Phil and his team good luck but they seriously need to "go all in" to build a scale. Go for scaling. Losses and break even should not be in your mind at this time.

The traffic is disappointing, but I do think there is a lot to like about the site. I think the big test will be when MTT's come on board, hopefully they are planning to advertise & market the site heavily then.

I'm surprised they are focusing on sng's over mtt's atm, with current traffic levels will sng's even run?

I think with the current traffic it's easier to get the sngs running. Allso I believe Galfond mentioned that it's easier to make the sngs software wise.

So which is it - literally no traffic, or a few players?

As Phil stated on his streams that is because SNG's are much faster and easier to implement.

Both are being developed, but since it will take less time to get SNGs ready their plan is to implement them while they continue developing MTTs.

Yeah when you break it down, STT SNGs are basically MTTs without having to handle re-entries, re-buys, table rebalancing, hand-for-hand play, complex lobbies, etc etc. That's not mentioning a lot of what you get on most sites today: deal making, multi-day, tournament breaks, tournament pausing, automated policy in case of downtime, final table themes, etc.

Any news for a danish licens?

I am surprised and disappointed that RIO or Phil himself didn't pay deceived123 what he was expecting to receive through the StreamR program. Regardless of whether RIO is not supposed to do that because of the way their T&C work but rather based on customer satisfication. They simply should pay that from their own pockets.

Especially in the early stage a company or a product needs positive feedback. Just take a look at the way Amazon handles things.

When I first looked at the StreamR program I must admit I felt it a bit misleading in terms of numbers. On the website level 1 shows as "50% rakeback" but if I'm not mistaken you get the 51% from STP then 50% of the remaining 49%? I mean that's not unreasonable per se but I think the 50% is ridiculously misleading.

Im going to chip in some of my thoughts. I have been playing less and less on RIO lately and im trying to explain why and what could improve.

- Add MTTs along with freerolls as soon as possible. In retrospect i dont understand how they could launch the site without it.

- Dynamic Avatars should adjust to the situation (heads up, 3-4 handed, 5-6 handed)
- Dynamic Avatars erasing after some time is fine with me

- I dont think that anonymousity itself really attracts anyone, if it comes with the elimination of a huge fun-factor in poker: the psychological aspect of playing someone repeatedly and developing reads, adjusting, counter-adjusting, reverse psychology etc. So no more anonymous names and permanent Notes/color-grading tied to the names. If players feel hunted they can change their name, but only every X months and it needs to involve some extra effort. But there should be no real reason to feel at a huge disadvantage if dynamic avatars erase and only color-grading (which can be quite easily over-adjusted to) and notes are permanent (notes are also limited by nature since you usually dont have the time to write and read 20 notes nor would it be practical).
- Unique personal avatars via clothing options, hair styles, sunglasses, skin color etc. Just anything that helps to combat the sight of three clones playing 6max. To me thats almost as important as increasing traffic and maybe even more important than permanent names.

- Splash the Pot: I like the idea about some kind of shared element in big splashes.
I would suggest to cap everything at 100BB for every splash if thats technically possible. I also thought about preflop caps for No-Limit, but that kind of defies the game-type.

- If you want to distinguish yourself from other sites it needs to be attractive not just different. Splash the Pot and dynamic avatars might not be enough and/or it has not been advertised efficiently. How about nanostakes mixed games? Or some kind of new exciting gametype or addition to an already popular game (I know i get called a rec for that idea, but im just trying to come up with some ideas), i think i recalled reading something about RIO trying to add some new element to MTTs, thatd be a start

The main reason for annonymousity is protecting recs and generating rake. They want regs to play each other and they want recs to stay alive for as long as possible to once again generate as much rake and decrease winrates of regs as much as possible.

I find it hard to believe that Phil would want to jump into a 100/200 PLO game not being sure whether there is a rec involved or not.

Stop arguing, it's the poker dream!

FFS, trying to run a business serving the online poker community is such a thankless endeavour.

After listening to all the whiny regs in here, I pity the new sites trying to break into this industry.

A new site has a hard challenge generating traffic. The regs won't play if there are no fish, the fish can't play if the tables are empty. Some sites have used bots to start games, regs then complain about bots on the site.

Regs are self serving trash. Majority of you won't keep a table running (generating traffic) unless there is a huge fish.

You complained about rake. RIO heard you
You complained about seat scripts. RIO heard you.
You complained about bum hunting. RIO heard you.

Now you complain about lack of traffic. JFC, why don't you just ask them to wire money into your bank directly?

I'm very curious as to what RIO management plans are for 2020. If the lack of traffic is due to a scaled back marketing plan (understandable b/c they're in beta), then there's still hope. But if they don't have some plan to ramp up traffic, I can't see any reason they should even bother continuing the business. Yes the software has bugs but I'm certain that's not the biggest reason for lack of traffic. So I pray they aren't naively pushing forward with development, thinking that a real go live release will solve their traffic problems.

Really?! Before rakeback this is far from true as RIO is across all stakes at the higher end of the spectrum.

Regarding the low traffic: maybe offering a product that a lot of people don't want isn't really a good way to go. The announcement of anon + idiotic avatars was for me the very moment when my interest for RIO went to zero. Could have lived with no HUD (even if it's not enforceable when not anon), but combined, no thanks.

Shut down, close shop, sell the amazing avatars to Amaya...….