My 2.0.0.8438 version still imports the hands where I put in money in the pot.

Yes, I know. So are you saying if I fold a hand, it counts as me not playing the hand, if I don't put money into the pot? I.e. me playing 0 hands for that 1 hand?

Yes, HEM doesn't import these hands at all. So if you will play 1000 hands session on 6-max HEM will show something like 500-650 hands (every SB & BB + VPIP from EP-BTN).

I see, so I guess an earlier poster was correct then to assume that bb/100 for MPN is no longer accurate.
I was under the assumption that those hands would perhaps be imported into HM, simply as us folding or something.

bb/100 aren't right,your stats aren't right,stats of villain aren't right,hands per hour aren't right,graph aren't right and so on..

So can we take anything useful from a HUD? Can we assume villains VPIP/PFR based on number of hands we got on him?

I'm confused about the HUD too. I've only been playing non-anon tables, so far it looks like my opponents stats are real (IE the regs look like regs and the recs look like recs)but my stats are totally off - 54/37 at six max instead of 26/22 or whatever.

According to Fozzy71, all the data should be wrong now:

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/gene...ml#post2485681

http://forums.holdemmanager.com/gene...ml#post2485686

The explanation doesn't make sense to me. The MPN hand histories show that you fold your hand; it just doesn't give you any further action.

So if a tracker were to import this correctly, I don't see why your own stats like 3bet %, fold to steal etc would be wrong.

From my understanding, fozzy is also wrong about blinds. If hero posts blinds or antes, the whole hand history is saved (I haven't verified this, but that's what it said on the MPN blog)

Yea, I challenged fozzy on this in the thread as well, but he seems to have skipped my question. He might be unsure himself.

What I find strange is that according to 'sirin' ITT, hero's VPIP/PFR are wrong, but that shouldn't be the case if folded hands were being imported correctly. That would imply that our 3-bet percentage would certainly be incorrect, unless it came from a situation where we posted an ante or a blind.

yeah if the tracker would import a handhistory like that correctly everything would be fine with the stats..

but as stated in the pt4 forum it's not as easy as it seems to import hh's like that correctly

Here are my stats for six max, playing the same style - microgaming on the left, 888 on the right.

The strange thing is it seems like the other players stats are correct, I can't be sure but the reggy players have reggy stats and the fishy players have fishy stats.

Known regs have reggy stats and known fishes have fishy stats, right? If you have let's say 5000 hands on someone then it will take a while until his stats become completely incorrect.

It makes sense for all of your postflop stats to be correct since per definition VPIP is always true unless, when we check in the BB that hand is somehow not written to the hard drive, which would seem bizarre and I don't think that's the case.

If folded hands are still imported I don't understand why pre-flop stats would be incorrect? It would probably mess up the post flop stats though.

Hi, somebody play regularly in Fish SNG?

Is there a way to import client notes from another skin?

nope

Fozzy followed up with me on this. He said he misunderstood my initial question and that any hand where we do not VPIP is not tracked. So a folded hand does not generate a hand history, which would explain why sirin's stats are wrong.

"I interpreted your previous question wrong. When you said you were dealt in I was thinking you had contributed (i.e. in the blinds or in a HUD game). If you don't contribute to the pot there are no actions in the hand history file so all stats will be inaccurate."

The easiest way for MG to reach a compromise here would be to do the following:

All tables still produce hand histories:-

Anon tables - All hand histories have completely hidden hole cards. This means that all players are hidden and all hands are hidden the only thing we would know is the basic action and which unknown player won the pot. This means that the only thing that can be tracked is Hero's winnings(or losses). Analysis can't be done, players can't be identified no one can know who is winning or losing but hero can just track his or her wins/losses. HM/PT may need a small update but shouldn't be a major deal. HUDs still couldn't be used. It keeps the entire game anonymous but keeps the regs happy because they can atleast monitor their winrate/number of hands played etc.

Normal tabs:- Same idea as above however if Hero contributed to the pot, the cards are displayed. If not no cards are displayed. Simple. Hero only gets to see hands he was actively involved in yet can still track wins/losses/hands played.

From a programming perspective easy to do. From a business stand point makes sense because the network can't live without regs, the network isn't P*s the regs start/keep the games running over here. They are required. It also keeps the recreational players happy because they can't be 'tracked' no one can see their 'stats' there is no HUD or after game analysis etc.

Makes perfect sense as a comprimise?

Off topic: Why do MG not run a network wide blaze promo? Makes a bunch of sense, player pool isn't massive so if they can get blaze running everyone is in one place. More hands/hr = more rake. Fish playing a bit tighter because of the fast fold format means that they lose to the regs slower = more rake.

I love MG and the site I play on, I understand the principles behind some of the changes but from a strategic standpoint it seems pretty stupid. People are begging to leave stars and go somewhere else but no one is filling the void. This network is great, if they learned to compromise and accommodate the regular players, games would run more often and 24/7, stuff like blaze would run and recreational players would always be able to get a game.

I'm all for hidden cards.

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http://www.microgaming.co.uk/our-new...-statement-pkr what's going on here?

Here we go again!

So it's only pkr players that are not able to play? Prolly affects like 15 players.

Fish love PKR