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Old 02-09-2017, 12:46 PM   #2326
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I know khantrutahn has taken a lot of heat in this thread, but I would like to share my story as he has been making efforts to help me recover my FFP money since Nov and recently paid me the first installment of restoring my $21,500 balance.

Khan has been my affiliate for several years now and I signed up through his site for several different poker sites including FFP. After FFP went down, we hadn't talked for a while(since July13th) until he messaged me on skype on Nov 10th. He told me that he was attempting to find ways to help his clients recover FFP funds. He offered to set up a personal monthly rake race for me to recover my total funds and after much delay(on my end due to travel), I have received payment($1k) from khan for the first two months(Dec+Jan) of play on a different network.

I never expected to have any way to recoup my FF $ and it never crossed my mind that my affiliate would help me recover my funds. I would have been playing on this other network regardless and I now am starting to recover the FFP $ I thought I would never see again with no additional work. I just wanted to share my story with the community and shine a different light on khan.
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Old 02-09-2017, 01:30 PM   #2327
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I know khantrutahn has taken a lot of heat in this thread, but I would like to share my story as he has been making efforts to help me recover my FFP money since Nov and recently paid me the first installment of restoring my $21,500 balance.

Khan has been my affiliate for several years now and I signed up through his site for several different poker sites including FFP. After FFP went down, we hadn't talked for a while(since July13th) until he messaged me on skype on Nov 10th. He told me that he was attempting to find ways to help his clients recover FFP funds. He offered to set up a personal monthly rake race for me to recover my total funds and after much delay(on my end due to travel), I have received payment($1k) from khan for the first two months(Dec+Jan) of play on a different network.

I never expected to have any way to recoup my FF $ and it never crossed my mind that my affiliate would help me recover my funds. I would have been playing on this other network regardless and I now am starting to recover the FFP $ I thought I would never see again with no additional work. I just wanted to share my story with the community and shine a different light on khan.
What a beautiful story. I wept tears of joy with my faith in khanatran and humanity restored. So screw all the players who had funds bought up at whatever miniscule rate khan paid them.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:46 AM   #2328
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I'm really curious about this guys and I'm sorry if its already been addressed.


there's no doubt full flush had potential to be a long term profitable, solid poker room. it already had a solid base...


if anyone knows, when the "new owners" took over ---- how much outstanding debt did they take on?
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:33 PM   #2329
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None, the new owners took on zero debt. An actual audit could have revealed any amount of debt, but they were not taking any of it on. Not one penny.

When you are looking to buy/takeover a company, you get certain documents, indemnifications, and financial statements. With the long backlog of withdrawals, there should have been cash on hand to off set that amount in segregated accounts. When you act as a fiduciary, working capital must be separate from customer funds. With the exception of few industries, like banking, at no time is collusion allowed. If they had the off-setting balances, then they would have been sent out. Customer funds owed on behalf of other customers is not considered corporate debt. It is not the company's money, it is only held in safekeeping for the account of record.

The new 'owners' that stepped in were likely less than off the street businessmen looking to run a company. I don't want to make assumptions over the intentions, but you would have to be pretty naive to be willing to take the helm of the titanic after the iceberg.

Years back, they may have had a path to profitable and legitimate business, but not their final two years or so. They often had to cancel tournaments due to lack of interest, their big promo game just disappeared, vacation seats were bogus, etc...the model business works, but all business run by scam artists will fail. It is never the intent for them to operate properly. Take as much cash as you can with limited outlay to keep the new cash flowing in, that is their mantra.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:45 PM   #2330
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vacation seats were bogus
Do you have any proof of this? Excluding the final Aruba promotion which took place after the site went offline, I believe all live tournament seats were paid and played. I'd very much like to see evidence to the contrary if it exists.

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Old 02-22-2017, 04:21 PM   #2331
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Do you have any proof of this? Excluding the final Aruba promotion which took place after the site went offline, I believe all live tournament seats were paid and played. I'd very much like to see evidence to the contrary if it exists.

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There was someone claiming that there was a 'problem' with the paperwork on FF's end so they were not able to go to the vacay tourney. They said it was remedied by an apology and the equivalent amount being deposited into their player account and since they were never able to withdraw it, that is a conclusion I made. I should have worded it different as it being suspected, but I completely believe the guy's story.

Didn't mean to mislead it as firsthand experience, but from someone I know.
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Old 02-22-2017, 07:46 PM   #2332
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There was someone claiming that there was a 'problem' with the paperwork on FF's end so they were not able to go to the vacay tourney. They said it was remedied by an apology and the equivalent amount being deposited into their player account and since they were never able to withdraw it, that is a conclusion I made. I should have worded it different as it being suspected, but I completely believe the guy's story.

Didn't mean to mislead it as firsthand experience, but from someone I know.
Thanks for the further information. Do you by chance have a link to where I can read this person's story?

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Old 02-22-2017, 11:25 PM   #2333
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Thanks for the further information. Do you by chance have a link to where I can read this person's story?

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Kahn i will 100% back this guy on this.

Right when it started i won a Colossus package. when the actual colossus approached in may (i believe) i called up FF and tried to get some answers as to how i would get my entries. they literally had no clue what i was talking about, said the managers were gone, had to call back another day.

After running around in the circles, it got me no where. they just 'credited' my account with $2,000 of play money as it were

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None, the new owners took on zero debt. An actual audit could have revealed any amount of debt, but they were not taking any of it on. Not one penny.

When you are looking to buy/takeover a company, you get certain documents, indemnifications, and financial statements. With the long backlog of withdrawals, there should have been cash on hand to off set that amount in segregated accounts. When you act as a fiduciary, working capital must be separate from customer funds. With the exception of few industries, like banking, at no time is collusion allowed. If they had the off-setting balances, then they would have been sent out. Customer funds owed on behalf of other customers is not considered corporate debt. It is not the company's money, it is only held in safekeeping for the account of record.

The new 'owners' that stepped in were likely less than off the street businessmen looking to run a company. I don't want to make assumptions over the intentions, but you would have to be pretty naive to be willing to take the helm of the titanic after the iceberg.

Years back, they may have had a path to profitable and legitimate business, but not their final two years or so. They often had to cancel tournaments due to lack of interest, their big promo game just disappeared, vacation seats were bogus, etc...the model business works, but all business run by scam artists will fail. It is never the intent for them to operate properly. Take as much cash as you can with limited outlay to keep the new cash flowing in, that is their mantra.


I absolutely agree with all of your business acumen on the subject, but your premise is wrong.

FF at a certain point was definitely taking on debt in the way of big tournament guarantee's and no where near enough entries to cover them.

along with definitely not having enough money on hand to cover players balances, they absolutely took over FF with pending withdrawal's astronomically higher than cash on hand.
this is what i mean by debt that they took on.

i wish we could find out how much they truly had, seems so ****ing stupid to me not to just catch up on withdrawals, it couldn't have been that much money.

and even though they were a small poker room, they were making good money in Rake and live blackjack I'm sure,

but as they say.

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There was someone claiming that there was a 'problem' with the paperwork on FF's end so they were not able to go to the vacay tourney. They said it was remedied by an apology and the equivalent amount being deposited into their player account and since they were never able to withdraw it, that is a conclusion I made. I should have worded it different as it being suspected, but I completely believe the guy's story.

Didn't mean to mislead it as firsthand experience, but from someone I know.
don't apologize, you're correct sir

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Old 02-23-2017, 11:32 AM   #2334
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Player funds in a segregated account is never a corporate debt. If I hold a book for the Super Bowl, the money is sent into an account and then redistributed from losers to winners after my fee is taken out. I believe there was intent to keep the money from the time certain people joined the company. 'Winnings' were only credited to your account, but were never going to be sent out, in my opinion. Some were sent, but the majority were not, pretty much the definition of a ponzi/pyramid scam. The business model itself is a big moneymaker. Take 5%+/- of every dollar moved around and give the client lots of reasons to move their dollars.

If there was intent to do the right thing, then any new blood that came on board would make a big splash by bringing everyone up to date on withdrawals and make a public statement about how things are different. That would slowly bring old and new people back into the fold. My opinion is, the 'new' people were all just part of the same old group. I know enough grimey people, the investment business is loaded with them, and can smell the scam from a mile away. The specific details change, but the story is always the same. That is 100% my opinion based on how it all played out.

The 'proof' of the individual that was credited money instead of the mystery trip was text messages back and forth with me. It's someone I play and talk a lot of poker with. I have no reason to not believe him based on everything else we have done together, but I vouch for no one other than myself.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:09 PM   #2335
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Kahn i will 100% back this guy on this.

Right when it started i won a Colossus package. when the actual colossus approached in may
Was this 2016 or a prior year MeyvN?

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Old 02-26-2017, 02:24 PM   #2336
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Was this 2016 or a prior year MeyvN?

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Old 03-05-2017, 11:36 AM   #2337
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full flush claimed my life they've ruined my life, my money they were owed $ 49.81400They had promised me so many times and they do not pay me I had 7 allocation and awaited an elevator 8/2015
we are not treated balancing please help us, I'm kangaroo
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:19 AM   #2338
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full flush claimed my life they've ruined my life, my money they were owed $ 49.81400They had promised me so many times and they do not pay me I had 7 allocation and awaited an elevator 8/2015
we are not treated balancing please help us, I'm kangaroo


i remember playing against you, and you cannot blame them.

You showed up on FF, when it was clearly not paying people anymore
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owe them my life, they destroyed them not deal fairly with me and everyone
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:28 AM   #2340
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Well said.
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:12 AM   #2341
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Has anyone tried to contact Ben Affleck?
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:16 PM   #2342
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I'll have my publicist call your agent and we'll do mimosas and cucumber sandwiches for brunch!


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Old 03-08-2017, 07:48 PM   #2343
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Agirlinoh did try to contact Affleck because they had played a ton. He was unsuccessful.
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Just want to bring to everyone's attention this message on fullflushpoker.com which was apparently bought by "affiliates" of the site:

Full Flush Poker and the Equity Poker Network closed operations as of October 2016. Players with unrecoverable funds should continue reading below.

We are the new owners of the domain FullFlushPoker.com - purchased via auction. We are NOT associated with the prior owners. We do NOT have your money. We are NOT liable for the debts of the prior owners of this website. Please continue reading.

The Equity Poker Network has gone out of business. Full Flush Poker, the flagship skin owned and operated by the Equity Poker Network, has also gone out of business. The owners have ceased returning calls, instant messages and emails. Sources tell us that they have relocated from the countries in which they were operating, and a number of parties were financially injured as a result of this company closure. Player balances were left outstanding, software vendors were left unpaid, marketing affiliates were stiffed, and employees in the Costa Rican offices did not receive weeks worth of pay.

There is a supposedly pending lawsuit, though no evidence of this litigation has been publicly released, it very well may be a scam. Even if it is legitimate, we do not feel that the attorney, even if the litigation succeeds, will be able to recover any funds. Here is a good explanation as to why it would be likely to fail. Furthermore, the lawsuit and the people promoting it are unknown and unproven. Thus, we do not recommend players to provide personal information to these parties or to send any money upfront as they have requested. To be clear, we are not associated with, nor do we endorse, these parties.

A group of concerned affiliates and poker sites have come together in an attempt to help victims of the Equity Poker Network and Full Flush Poker business failure. Our goal is to provide a means by which players might recover their lost balances. While we finish working out the details of this program, we are asking players who suffered financial harm to contact us and provide information regarding the extent of their losses. Players need not provide any personally identifying information when submitting a claim.
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Old 03-08-2017, 08:42 PM   #2345
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While whoever bought the website name (why would anyone even do that) has no liability issues, the rest is starting to real like a Pure Poker "get your Lock Poker money back" marketing trick that was essentially an instant bankroll promotion with a bit of extra rakeback created to appeal to Lock victims even though they had absolutely nothing to do with Lock Poker.

I hope that whoever took over this name did not do that just to try to create another fake get your money back scheme to drive up their business that has nothing to do with the money lost. Feels from reading that that we may see Pure Poker the sequel.
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WHY would any single person with a double digit IQ purchase the name of a company that is a scam???? There is no operation, no assets, no nothing but bad reputation and they PAID FOR THAT?!?!?!

Their way of helping will be to get people to put up money and give some points or some nonsense. Another groups of imbeciles if they did honestly purchase a dirty shell entity.
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I know khantrutahn has taken a lot of heat in this thread, but I would like to share my story as he has been making efforts to help me recover my FFP money since Nov and recently paid me the first installment of restoring my $21,500 balance.

Khan has been my affiliate for several years now and I signed up through his site for several different poker sites including FFP. After FFP went down, we hadn't talked for a while(since July13th) until he messaged me on skype on Nov 10th. He told me that he was attempting to find ways to help his clients recover FFP funds. He offered to set up a personal monthly rake race for me to recover my total funds and after much delay(on my end due to travel), I have received payment($1k) from khan for the first two months(Dec+Jan) of play on a different network.

I never expected to have any way to recoup my FF $ and it never crossed my mind that my affiliate would help me recover my funds. I would have been playing on this other network regardless and I now am starting to recover the FFP $ I thought I would never see again with no additional work. I just wanted to share my story with the community and shine a different light on khan.
Sorry, but this is a bunch of nonsense.

Kahn was warned by countless people, both on 2+2 and outside of 2+2, that Full Flush was not paying people.

Kahn is not some clueless online poker newbie. He has been playing poker across multiple sites and networks for over a decade, and by his own admission, has been cheated before by shady poker sites.

He knew all the signs. He knew where Full Flush was headed.

He continued promoting them on his affiliate site, for MANY MANY MONTHS after it was clear they were not paying people.

Kahn also had glowing, positive reviews for Full Flush during the many months of non-payment. He was begged to modify his reviews in order to reflect what was truly going on there, and refused.

Kahn was happy to lead new lambs to the slaughter. If he didn't secretly own a percentage of Full Flush, he was definitely intentionally leading new victims to deposit there for his own selfish reasons.

Kahn's offer to buy Full Flush money at 30 cents on the dollar was also quite suspect. Anyone who knows Kahn will tell you that he's a hustler and will never knowingly take the short end of the stick. He didn't buy these funds on faith in the company. He likely bought them either to profit (maybe he was paid more than 30c on the dollar) or as a go-between for Full Flush in order to cash out people for less (maybe they were reimbursing him, thus allowing themselves plausible deniability regarding cashing out people for less).

Kahn is not doing you any favors by offering you rake races or any other promotions on his site. He's basically making you rake more in order to get your money back, which helps HIM, and in fact may allow him to get paid extra (due to the higher amount of gross rake) in order to cover what he's giving you back.

Even if you want to say Kahn is somehow reimbursing you, he's only doing it in order to keep a good customer who has earned him big bucks over the years.

Do you think Kahn is reimbursing anyone who deposited using his link, didn't rake much, and lost their money due to Full Flush being a scam?

There is no way Kahn can be anything other than a scumbag for keeping that Full Flush link up (and its associated glowing review) after the site wasn't paying people.

He can't plead ignorance.

He can't plead that he had faith in them (he's been around far too long to know what was up).

He can't explain why he had a review up which completely covered up Full Flush's insolvency and portrayed them as safe.

Kahn is a scumbag.

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Old 03-13-2017, 07:16 PM   #2348
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WHY would any single person with a double digit IQ purchase the name of a company that is a scam???? There is no operation, no assets, no nothing but bad reputation and they PAID FOR THAT?!?!?!

Their way of helping will be to get people to put up money and give some points or some nonsense. Another groups of imbeciles if they did honestly purchase a dirty shell entity.
I'll tell you why.

They are harvesting information on the victims, so they can then sell it or use it for their own poker site.

It's going to be one of those "We will give you your lost balance in the form of a bonus, and you need to clear it by raking X amount of dollars", with X being something outrageously high.

The new owners of fullfliushpoker.com are far too interested in the saga of the old owners.

Do not give any info to them.
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:18 PM   #2349
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MODS:

I know it is the policy of 2+2 to allow the revelation of personal information (at least the full name) of known scammers.

I think at this point it is very clear Kahn was a willing accomplice to the Full Flush scam.

Please give me permission to post his real name and relevant contact info, so the victims of the Full Flush scam can take legal action against the only Full Flush associate remaining in the US.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:25 PM   #2350
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Here is the Full Flush review on Kahn's affiliate site on August 24, 2016 -- about 5 weeks before they went down, and MANY MONTHS after they weren't paying anyone: http://web.archive.org/web/201607090...sked-Questions

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Is Full Flush Poker legit? -- Professional Rakeback believes that they are. PROFRB does not offer any poker sites that we do not personally risk our own money on. Should we ever come to believe that FullFlushPoker is not a legitimate poker site, who pays its players promptly and offers fair games, we would pull them immediately.

Why is my payout still pending? -- Typically, payouts are processed between 3 and 10 business days. All payouts are labeled in your cashier as "pending" while the payment department processes your request. If your payout has been pending for more than 10 business days, contact support at payouts[at]fullflushpoker.
Here is his very clear and obvious affiliate advertisement for Full Flush on that same date, listing it as "Casino Bonus of the Week": http://web.archive.org/web/201608241...lrakeback.com/

Could this guy be a bigger liar and scumbag?
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