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Old 01-20-2016, 09:17 PM   #176
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Re: BetOnline (BOL) discussion/cashout issues

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No, you must rake 100% of deposit before withdrawing, not including small stakes SNGs and tourneys <$10.
Say you deposit 50 and only play small tourneys. Say you decided to play 10 dollar tourneys plus the 1 dollar rake. The rake is the only thing that counts toward clearing. You would have to play 50 of these to meet the rake requirement. Total risk to clear would be 550. 100 dollar deposit would need 1100 in risk etc. Now if your a winning player eventually you might get there but the odds are against it. Micro players are forced to play higher stakes than they want to in order to have a chance to cash out. They know this and that is why they set it up that way. The point is there are better options available and the way it is set up is shady at best imo.
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Old 01-21-2016, 12:55 AM   #177
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I am a ROW player and I only played freerolls , I cashed out $100 after playing through the sportsbook one time . But the Skrill withdrawal fees were $20. Fair enough since I made a profit on just playing freerolls. But the fees are just to high compared with others.

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Old 01-21-2016, 01:33 AM   #178
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I am a ROW player and I only played freerolls , I cashed out $100 after playing through the sportsbook one time . But the Skrill withdrawal fees were $20. Fair enough since I made a profit on just playing freerolls. But the fees are just to high compared with others.

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Old 01-21-2016, 02:01 AM   #179
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Say you deposit 50 and only play small tourneys. Say you decided to play 10 dollar tourneys plus the 1 dollar rake. The rake is the only thing that counts toward clearing. You would have to play 50 of these to meet the rake requirement. Total risk to clear would be 550. 100 dollar deposit would need 1100 in risk etc. Now if your a winning player eventually you might get there but the odds are against it. Micro players are forced to play higher stakes than they want to in order to have a chance to cash out. They know this and that is why they set it up that way. The point is there are better options available and the way it is set up is shady at best imo.
I think that your scenario is unrealistic. Micro stakes players are not forced to play higher stake games in order to cash out. I think that most players who just deposit $50 aren't going to play $10 SNGs and tournaments just so they can cash out. They can build up their bankroll at the smaller stakes without a high risk of ruin; then once they have a bankroll worth withdrawing play higher stakes to enable them to withdraw.

I agree that clearing the deposit with only $10 and higher games is too stringent. But I also think that a $50 depositor is depositing for the purpose of playing poker rather than depositing for the purpose of immediately withdrawing.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:38 AM   #180
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Re: BetOnline (BOL) discussion/cashout issues

I made a deposit a couple of weeks ago and my 200% poker bonus was also activated.

I don't really like the software though and don't want to spend the time to grind out the bonus.

Does anyone know if it's possible to terminate the bonus and request a cash out? (Stage 1 of the bonus hasn't been paid out yet).
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Old 01-21-2016, 02:32 PM   #181
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First cashout a month is free on Friday just request it in comments.
what method of cashout does this include? That would be sweet if it included Bitcoin.

And by request in comments do you mean Live Chat, email, or is there a comment section on the wdraw page\?
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Old 01-21-2016, 02:43 PM   #182
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Support is really obnoxious... I deposited last night and got the poker bonus applied so there should be no need to call me, I have had 7 missed calls today from the same number as the rude customer service guy from 2 days ago.
Does BetOnline not understand that many people work during 9-5 hours?? Getting pretty rediculous. Recommend not giving real phone number, wish I had thought of that before signing up.
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Old 01-21-2016, 05:09 PM   #183
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what method of cashout does this include? That would be sweet if it included Bitcoin.

And by request in comments do you mean Live Chat, email, or is there a comment section on the wdraw page\?
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It includes all methods up to $50 fee reduction, so Bitcoin is free up to $2500/month (it's actually every 5 weeks since it needs to be >30 days since last request and on a Friday). When you request the cashout simply write 'use free friday withdraw' in the comment.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:58 PM   #184
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I think that your scenario is unrealistic. Micro stakes players are not forced to play higher stake games in order to cash out. I think that most players who just deposit $50 aren't going to play $10 SNGs and tournaments just so they can cash out. They can build up their bankroll at the smaller stakes without a high risk of ruin; then once they have a bankroll worth withdrawing play higher stakes to enable them to withdraw.

I agree that clearing the deposit with only $10 and higher games is too stringent. But I also think that a $50 depositor is depositing for the purpose of playing poker rather than depositing for the purpose of immediately withdrawing.
Yes they can do that but it is a difficult path that may take a long time just to be in a position to have the freedom to cash out. Granted perhaps its not a large amount of money but say they wish to patronize a different site that has assets more to their liking? Or maybe they need the money to buy their kid the GI Joe with the kung-fu grip etc. Which brings me back to my original point. Why accept that when there are more reasonable and player friendly options out there?
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Old 01-21-2016, 09:06 PM   #185
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Whats the deal w/ the sng leaderboard? Is there anyway to check your own points and how often does it update?
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Old 01-21-2016, 09:55 PM   #186
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Yes they can do that but it is a difficult path that may take a long time just to be in a position to have the freedom to cash out. Granted perhaps its not a large amount of money but say they wish to patronize a different site that has assets more to their liking? Or maybe they need the money to buy their kid the GI Joe with the kung-fu grip etc. Which brings me back to my original point. Why accept that when there are more reasonable and player friendly options out there?
I don't think that it is a difficult path at all for a winning player. The BetOnline rollover is probably a bit too high but it's not really that difficult to complete for a winning player who plans on playing on the site for awhile. The high rollover exists so that players who deposit are players who want to play poker. For people who just want to try the site, they have a large number of freerolls and sitngos as low as 5 cents that players can play on with their freeroll winnings.

Pokersites are not banks. These rollovers are meant to stop players from using their sites as banks. The fees that the offshore sites need to pay to move money around are just too excessive to allow players to impulsively deposit and withdraw money. I'd suggest that parents ask their kids if they need a GI Joe before depositing their money on a poker site.

To answer your question as to why players should accept the high rollover when other sites have more reasonable rollovers (not to mention far better software): BetOnline has soft non-anonymous tables with really good withdrawal options.
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Old 01-21-2016, 10:43 PM   #187
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Whats the deal w/ the sng leaderboard? Is there anyway to check your own points and how often does it update?
Updates nightly (usually).

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Old 01-22-2016, 12:37 PM   #188
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Re: BetOnline (BOL) discussion/cashout issues

Has anyone had personal experience with their check payouts? I requested the expresscheck today. Support said it should take approximately once the payout is approved.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:42 PM   #189
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Has anyone had personal experience with their check payouts? I requested the expresscheck today. Support said it should take approximately once the payout is approved.
You can find some people who had check issues further up the thread. I've done one which arrived a few days after the advertised time frame. Foreign check, cleared without a problem.
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Old 01-22-2016, 11:57 PM   #190
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I don't think that it is a difficult path at all for a winning player. The BetOnline rollover is probably a bit too high but it's not really that difficult to complete for a winning player who plans on playing on the site for awhile. The high rollover exists so that players who deposit are players who want to play poker. For people who just want to try the site, they have a large number of freerolls and sitngos as low as 5 cents that players can play on with their freeroll winnings.

Pokersites are not banks. These rollovers are meant to stop players from using their sites as banks. The fees that the offshore sites need to pay to move money around are just too excessive to allow players to impulsively deposit and withdraw money. I'd suggest that parents ask their kids if they need a GI Joe before depositing their money on a poker site.

To answer your question as to why players should accept the high rollover when other sites have more reasonable rollovers (not to mention far better software): BetOnline has soft non-anonymous tables with really good withdrawal options.
Its all about freedom and options. No they are not banks but other sites give you the option to get your money faster and brick and mortar let you walk out the door with your winnings. If the softer games (subjective) is reason to accept this then more power to you. A micro or noob would need an ROI of over 25% to reach rollover within a reasonable time with high volume. That eliminates about 99.5% of them. Again, its about choice. You have made yours and I have made mine. We have stated our opinions and this forum allows players to collect information to make the best decisions for them.
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Old 01-23-2016, 12:15 AM   #191
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Its all about freedom and options. No they are not banks but other sites give you the option to get your money faster and brick and mortar let you walk out the door with your winnings. If the softer games (subjective) is reason to accept this then more power to you. A micro or noob would need an ROI of over 25% to reach rollover within a reasonable time with high volume. That eliminates about 99.5% of them. Again, its about choice. You have made yours and I have made mine. We have stated our opinions and this forum allows players to collect information to make the best decisions for them.
I don't know where you got the notion that a player needs to have a 25% ROI to withdraw in a reasonable amount of time. The amount won doesn't have anything to do with releasing the money to be withdrawn. A person who deposits $50 can fulfill the requirement easily within a few days by playing $10 double or nothings and just breaking even.

Yeah, people in the forum can make up their own minds, but let's not give them misleading information.
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:42 AM   #192
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Re: BetOnline (BOL) discussion/cashout issues

I keep getting an error saying that "Another instance of the updater is already running." Does anyone know how to bypass or fix this issue?
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:17 PM   #193
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Is anyone else experiencing issues with the site right now?

My tables are frozen.

[Edit] Running again. Disregard.
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:03 PM   #194
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I don't know where you got the notion that a player needs to have a 25% ROI to withdraw in a reasonable amount of time. The amount won doesn't have anything to do with releasing the money to be withdrawn. A person who deposits $50 can fulfill the requirement easily within a few days by playing $10 double or nothings and just breaking even.

Yeah, people in the forum can make up their own minds, but let's not give them misleading information.
Its not about releasing in a reasonable amount of time its about accumulating enough to make it worthwhile. Why would they want to break even and withdraw the same amount they deposited. You basically said that yourself. That's where I get the notion sport. Plus that is not a reasonable amount of time in my opinion. I will tap out on this banter because it is useless to engage with a party that is hypocritical in their statements and fails to acknowledge the main point of choice and freedom. Something tells me you accumulated many of those posts by searching for axes to grind.
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Old 01-23-2016, 03:04 PM   #195
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Its not about releasing in a reasonable amount of time its about accumulating enough to make it worthwhile. Why would they want to break even and withdraw the same amount they deposited. You basically said that yourself. That's where I get the notion sport. Plus that is not a reasonable amount of time in my opinion. I will tap out on this banter because it is useless to engage with a party that is hypocritical in their statements and fails to acknowledge the main point of choice and freedom. Something tells me you accumulated many of those posts by searching for axes to grind.
Well sport, you should bow out because you don't know what you are talking about. Winning enough to cash out has nothing to do with the playthrough necessary to cash out. Those are 2 different things. I only made the point that a winning player could easily win enough money in such a manner as to avoid the 'risk of ruin', which was what you were saying would happen with depositors who only deposited a small amount of money. You need to keep your points straight.

Most players who do win enough money to make it worthwhile to withdraw are probably going to complete the playthrough without giving it much thought anyway. Nobody needs a 25% ROI to do that.

If you're saying that someone depositing $50 isn't going to be able to withdraw it the next day, you're right, they won't, and they shouldn't. Nor will they be able to withdraw a $50 deposit on other sites that have a $100 minimum withdrawal policy regardless of the lower playthrough on those sites.
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Old 01-23-2016, 03:05 PM   #196
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so how do I fix my bet online client? I am using windows 10 and it seems very buggy sometimes while I play. Also what are your guys toughs on this super annoying black screen only on bet online softwear that is the same size as the table and you can only manually close it if you sit 4 tables or more. Seems a bit bizzare, why not get X somewhere so we can close this nuisance down.
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Old 01-23-2016, 05:45 PM   #197
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I know it's not recommended at all BUT, in order to meet the rollover on my poker deposit (mainly play tournaments), I used Martingale playing blackjack (started at $1...). I was just trying to break even but it worked (luckily? it was in the short term FWIW) and I was able to clear it and make a few dollars... just throwing it out there...

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Old 01-23-2016, 06:15 PM   #198
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In addition if you are a micro player or only small tourneys you will NEVER clear the requirement.
Dude, quit being silly. We get it, you think the rollover on deposits is too high, that's reasonable. But implying a micro player that deposits $50 or whatever, can never rake that amount is wrong, and just rambling on and on, just stop. There are a ton of players on this forum that understand they will be paying a **** load of rake while playing, enough to make the rollover requirement not a big issue to them regardless of the stakes they are playing. You have stated your opinion twenty times for others to see. Now just don't play there, problem solved.
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Old 01-23-2016, 06:35 PM   #199
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I know it's not recommended at all BUT, in order to meet the rollover on my poker deposit (mainly play tournaments), I used Martingale playing blackjack (started at $1...). I was just trying to break even but it worked (luckily? it was in the short term FWIW) and I was able to clear it and make a few dollars... just throwing it out there...
FWIW, there's nothing *wrong* with Martingaling, as long as you don't do so with the misconception that it's a winning strategy. BJ is -EV overall no matter how you bet (aside from adjusting bets based on card counting live), so as long as you're prepared for the risk, do it any way you like!
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I keep getting an error saying that "Another instance of the updater is already running." Does anyone know how to bypass or fix this issue?


Am I the only person who has this issue/ reinstall every time this error occurs?
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