Your not alone in this.

Let me start off by saying i actually really enjoy playing BOL and i think there is a lot of good action.
Secondly im not you typical 'i cant win so the site is rigged and im being cheated' people.

Im a regular at BOL. I disapear here and there for months at a time when im focusing on live play but ive played here regularly for a good while now

Im not a pro. This is not my main source of income. Im not crushing the games. Im winning over a large sample but i have a lot of improving to go. Im not the best im not the worst.

I regular between NL25 - NL200

There is something going on with a lot of the Eastern European players. Idk about bots. Idk enough them. Ive heard conflicting info about winning bots at NL not even being very possible, yet. I also dont worry to much about them because i feel like a good player should be able to beat a bot, especially if you suspect them and play accordingly.

But there is without a doubt collusion going on, and something that happened to me 2 nights ago confirmed this for me.

I was at a 6max NL5O. me and 3 players from random european countries. I got the vibe that they were playing against me together. So i sat out. For awhile. Not 1 hand out of a good 100 i sat out for did they create a raked hand, not 1. Then another USA player joined. Raked hands again only when he was in the hand. On chat i told him to sit out and why. He did. Again not a single raked hand. Not 1.

This is by no means proof. But proof enough for me. Confirming what i already believed.

The unfortunate fact of this (pretty great action) site is this stuff is happening, and either BOL is ill-equipt and ill-informed enough to know and stop it, or they dont care.

However all that said doesnt stop me from playing there. I dont have many other options and even so i think the action is great. But i do my table selecting accordingly. I have every non US player marked and easily recognizable (i dont think they are ALL involved, i think tigergaming brings plenty legit players, some very good.

I think if you play here you should take this information into consideration and make your own decision about it, and play any suspected players accordingly. I still enjoy playing here regularly.

Today especially there seems to be a whole lot of non reg USA players and the games are especially easy to beat.

I dont think BOL has malicious intent, i think they just dont really even know all that much about the game, and its just anothrr gambling avenue for them to bring in money. Which unfortunately created a beautiful environment for anyone to carelessly collude or test out bots without much worry of being caught

I think your evaluation is spot. I'm also a regular at the micro and low stakes, tournaments there are really great easy to Wade through the large pools, have noticed the same with some non usa players but seems pretty easy to spot and avoid

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Let me slightly modify my responce. This may be where our confusion is coming from. With the max amount requested with MG/WU the fees can sometimes surpass $50. $50 is the most the "free payout friday" promo covers. Here are the rules straight from BOLs website

"Players are entitled to a $50.00 discount once every (30) days, on the payout method of their choice on Friday; if you would like to take advantage of this discounted or fee-free payout please specify this when making your payout request. Only players who have met the minimum rollover required are eligible for this promotion"

So lets say you request a $600 WU which lets say for examples sake it has a $63 fee. $663 would be subtracted from your account and in the notes of the withdrawal you would have to include "i would like to tske advantage of the free friday payout promo. Please adjust the amount I will recieve to $650" so youd still have paid $13 in fees.

So in those cases its not "free". But you definitely can apply the $50 discount to both WU and MG payouts.

for the free cashouts on fridays do i have to do anything special other than request it on friday?

Yes u do. In the comment section when requesting it you have to actually type out a message requesting it, and what your adjusted cashout will be. Because when you request it it will still charge you the fee. So lets say whatever option you use has a $50 fee on a $400 payout. You request a $400 payout, and include in rhe notes that you want the promo and to adjust the actual amount of the payout to $450

if i recall correctly and I am pretty sure I am, on my free withdrawal, i simply typed in the comments section: "Please issue my free withdrawal, it is Friday." this worked. I never mentioned anything about a change to the amount

Idk i just say it so its clear i guess. Who knows whos on the recieving end. Bol support in my experience, while usually genuinely trying to help, hasnt always been the brightest

I was charged a 6.5% rate depositing and this was only mentioned after the fact. I consider this very unethical by the site - support told me it was in the site's rules, however when depositing all I got was a big deposit button, a question of how much I want to deposit, then telling me how much to send (same amount as I want to deposit) with no direct mention of the fee.
Turns out it is in the site's rules, but seems like bull**** to me...

Anywhere else I can post this that people will see before losing 6.5% (and 2% withdrawal) to these guys?

Hate the Russians. Legit ruining every site for Americans. Same epidemic on WPN. This is why I don't even play any more. Collusion city.

This is what Prohibition looks like.

Youd have thought America would have learned its lesson with Alcohol.
Or drugs
Or prosititution.
Or a number of other things.

Prohibition doesnt stop those who partake in whatever they prohibit. Its just creates a market in which is un regulated and 100x worse for the average person involved, and 100x better for real criminals.

We pushed onto these sites who either dont have the capacity to fight cheating, or just dont give a ****. Probably a mix of the 2 to be honest.

I understand why its going on. If you dont give a **** about the game of poker and simple want a way to make money, why wouldnt you cheat. These sites have literally NOTHING in place to stop it.

If i wanted to, and had 4-6 friends who would allow me to scan their ID and create an account in their name, I could litterally create 4-6 account, get 4-6 Laptops or computers, use my home internet on 1, get 4 cell phones and connect them to my home wifi, but create hotspots off them to connect the other computers to, so none are connected to the same internet technically, and I could litterally be 4-6/6 of the players on a 6max, or like 5-6/10 players on a full ring. Just think of how hard you could crush if YOU were playing 5 out of 10 hands on a 10max table. Absolutely crush. I could do this and have 95+% CERTAINTY i would not ever be found out by BOL or face any repercussions.

So its people like myself and apparently you who suffer from this senario. Those of us who dont do this because we have some sort of respect for the game and its integrity. Whereas those who dont give a **** about poker or improving and given the chance to rip off tons of money from tons of people, they are thriving.

These sites are legit in the sense that I trust my money there. They pay out fast a hell. I requested a withdrawl this morning to my bank account and it was processed within 4 hours. But as far as investing money into ensuring the integrity of the games, these sites couldnt be less knowledgeable or give any less of a ****.

Im definitely contemplating putting online to rest and focusing on my live play for the next few years until we have a large multi state legal US poker again. I believe its coming, i just think its still years down the road. Great news today for my neighbor to the north PA with the house passing its legislation

Most of us know about their disgraceful 6.5% fee on bitcoin deposits (and on cc deposits as well, AmEx cc deposits are over 9%)...which is why many of us choose not to deposit there until the bitcoin one stops.

I just made my first deposit at tiger.

Am i supposed to do something to activate the bonus or is it activated automatically, because nothing comes up under the "my bonuses" tab?

Tiger poker is a huge scam, dont waste your time playing as you will never receive payout. And the casino is just well... RIGGED. play blackjack once, won 1 hand in 20, played by mainstream stratergy, I get 21, casino gets 21, I get 17 casion gets 17, I have QQ casino gets 10A, very suspicious, I have been p,ayin BJ for a long time, never have I had suck bad luck - or was it.

1 hand in 20??? Wow, I'm convinced after that massive sample!

I agree - the amount of VIG here seems unethical and will surely prevent this site from ever reaching a larger community of poker players.

The same thing happened to me, I deposited with bitcoin and they took almost $100 for putting money online, I am furious.!

while we are on the subject of things wrong with this site, can I get any input or ways to improve on the following

1) how to make that damn blackjack table go away (besides just four tabling)

2) how come when you push pot, it isn't a pot sized bet - doesn't betonline know how pot sized bets work and how to do math?

3) the bet slider works terribly and there is no option to just manually type in your betsize.


combined with the INCREDIBLY unfair VIG on incoming and outgoing deposits and withdrawals I would give betonline a C- on a good day.

I have just started playing betonline so I won't state an opinion, just play a little devil's advocate.

1) if it was a plan to collude they could just as easily choose not to share where they are from. if they are colluding and haven't figured this out, they are not masterminds and probably will make many mistakes which makes playing them still profitable.

2) in less than 1k hands so far, I can agree there is a lot of nitting going on. you will see lots of players who all have stats like 11/8, 9/7, 12/9 or even 6/5 - this is just playing super conservative and is super common at the level 1 or level 2 style of playing. it is easily beatable, just open your steal range, don't pay off their big hands and watch your WTSD against them.

3) it is possible they are playing a lot of hours and this super nitty strategy because grinding out 7-12USD/hr is pretty good for wherever they are on the socio-economic ladder internationally. I have spent time in places like Egypt where that type of money shoots you straight to the upper middle class.

Regarding your point #1. I don't think players have a choice whether or not to share where they are from. I think if you are from BetOnline, then it will not show your location, but if you sign up with some of the other skins, then it will automatically show where you are from.

The vast majority of these players signed up by the other skin are regs/nits which is a shame b/c it seems like BetOnline is able to attract a decent amount of casual players with their sportsbook.

It is the same story with PLO as NLHE. A large influx of E. Euro players. I am not sure if they are just nits happy to grind out $10/hr or if there is something more sinister going on, but I don't feel comfortable playing at tables with lots of them b/c I have suspected foulplay going on. Not to mention certain players who seem to be playing the entire day, even odd times for their location.

Some are just regs, some are bots, some are cheating. They aint gon do a damn thing about it tho so forget it. There are about a dozen accounts on US sites that apparently play on a completely nocturnal schedule for easterns euros for 12hr/day.

if they are russian, they have access to better euro sites which they would play if they are pros, so never sleeping, or most likely just setting up bots to run during American's waking hours

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Just had a terrible experience with depositing. Yesterday went on the live chat and asked if I could deposit via western union, they said yes. So I sent them $300, I've deposited this way before and normally it's credited within the hour. This time it wasn't and finally a rep told me they were closed and it would be credited today. So today I'm waiting, 10 am nothing so I get on chat again, a rep confirms it will be there by noon. 12:30 nothing, chat again they say they are just waiting for the processor to confirm. I get ahold of Western Union (great customer service, very fast and helpful) and told them to cancel it which they did and it may take up to seven days to get the money back. Fml

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How long does a bank wire withdraw usually take? and is it simple to set up?

thnks!

that makes sense as I myself signed up via a different site to take advantage of additional bonuses.

that is a shame that it is so widespread believed that there is collusions and bots abroad.

has anyone ever fully cleared the max deposit bonus? I am looking at the requirements and it gets pretty steep - needing to clear something like 1400% of your initial deposit in rake before you get the full bonus - any idea what type of volume that would require at say 100NL?

this is assuming you got 200% on a 1k deposit.