I haven't found most of them to be "very exploitable" long term. Perhaps I could use some coaching from you.

The better bots will be adjusting to how you're playing against them, especially as you move up through the stakes. Bots also don't tilt or lose focus. Even good regs that adjust to you will.


It's the same on the NLHE side.


There would be a few less tables at times, but I think saying 50% less is very inaccurate. I think you may be overestimating the actual amount of bots there are and how many tables they play. There were very few bots around since Spring until very recently.


I spot them through observation and statistical analysis. Bots have tendencies that most regs don't have. Some regs may have a few different tendencies that may seem "bot-like", but only a bot account will display nearly all of those tendencies.

I'll message you in a little bit.

Would like to know the list for NL and PLO too

two questions:

Has anyone gotten a check from BOL recently and was it quick?

And if i go the bitcoin route why cant I just go straight to coinbase? How would coinbase know? isnt the whole point of bitcoin that its 100 percent anon?

Because I know about 3 different stables who put their players there and I know a lot of their nicks and I always find them sitting on every tables, so its very hard for me to believe that there are 3,4,5 bots / table

I think half of your list will be those stable guys, thats why I asked for the nicks.
I didnt know its such a secret (unless someone writes you a PM)

It would make sense better bots play higher but I dont really know much about them other than the ones I think are in my games. Obviously I could just be running above expectation against them specifically altering my thoughts on them.

I may be but you seem to have seen quite a few all of one stake higher than me. Recreational players show up more often if they know a game will be going in live casino games. A small number regs who always start a game at a certain time will double the hours the game does run a week in my experience. I could be overestimating how much the bots help the games run but its not as easy as % of hands played equals the amount the games run because of that player. I would compare it to pushing a car the first bit of momentum is the hardest.

I don't imagine all that many 23/19/8-10%3b regs who never seem to make large mistakes are stuck down at 10nl and 25nl very long. Particularly not when they seem to put in high volume. Real people playing these stakes punt a stack or two from time to time like myself. I would also add it must be possible to have a bot that doesn't seem like a bot and I can only identify certain ones who are very similar prehaps even the exact same software. Im not saying you are way off about the number of bots or even that we are really disagreeing on the number of bots. Mostly I was just adding my 2 cents that I think bots are in the games at 10nl and 25nl on chico.

Is this a standard answer from support? It was 8 days ago, even sent another with ticket nr. and still no response
https://gyazo.com/f3363c4d7be5dc6edb2b98f8b1699d78

Try live chat. Might be different for tiger compared to betonline but I got no response to emails and live chat fixed my bonus quickly.

Tiger stopped offering live chat...

I can provide you with a bot list for the NL side. I sent you a private message.


I don't use the check option, but I've heard others say they've received a check within 7-14 days.

CB will close accounts for doing bitcoin transactions with gambling sites. It's a good idea to use an intermediary wallet. It's not hard to set up and neither is adding one extra step to the process.

I'm not sure how CB goes about tracking these transactions back to gambling sites, but they do.


These are Cash Game stables you speak of, correct?
I assume these stable members don't live together, correct?
Since when are stables immune from offering their members automated assistance? I've heard that this takes place.
Do these stables advise their members to sit heads-up against each other for long periods of time?
Do these stables make sure that none of their members ever chats?
Do these stables advise their members to play the exact same way?
Could you please link me to any sign-up information for these stables?

The names I have listed could all very well be from a stable that you know of. That doesn't mean they aren't all using automated assistance.

Many regs here are aware of the bot situation. It's not a secret. I keep the names private for a few different reasons that I think may benefit the situation, but I'm not completely opposed to posting my bot list publicly at some point.

If you'd like to know the account names that I believe are using automated assistance then send me a private message. It could help clarify whether we are talking about the same accounts.


Just because you play lower stakes than I do doesn't mean you don't recognize possible exploits better than I do. I've been looking for ways to consistently exploit these accounts for a long time and I haven't had much luck with the better ones. I know some of them have adjusted to the way I play against them and even appear to attack some of my leaks.

I understand what you are saying, but there are plenty of regs here to keep a good amount of games running at most times. The bots will increase traffic a bit, but their presence is not worth it in IMO.

Those stats are not found in the bots I track. You should send me a private message so that I can let you know what accounts I'm talking about.

I appreciate your, and everybody else's, input on the subject. I don't claim to be an expert on the subject and I may be completely wrong at times. I try to learn from and hear out other people's point of view when they differ from my own.


BetOnline Support has always gotten back to me fairly quickly for subjects that aren't related to bots. TigerGaming is definitely the most questionable site on the network. All but one of the bots I'm currently aware of are coming from TigerGaming.

So how do I cash in my 4% Rb VIP points now ?

Could you actually do that more than once? I was under the impression that that was only a one time thing. What is the conversion? 200k VIP points for $100?

Used to use this option a lot. It usually takes around 10 business days to receive it and depending on what bank you use it could take two weeks or more to process the check so the funds from it are available, the bank may also charge you with a foreign check deposit fee, mine were $20. The checks usually come from Canada and Singapore.

Yes, You can do it once per month up to 100$. I think it was 60$ (or 40$) for 100k

Tiger Gaming Live support is actually working, you just need to go to deposit/withdrawal on their website ant the press contact us and choose Live Chat.
Does anyone know when their monthly 109$ tournament takes place?

I have Wait For Big/Over Blind selected in the BetOnline Options menu, but I keep open posting the big blind in early positions when I first get sat at a table. Is anybody else experiencing this?


Thanks for the info AB!

Yes I am and its is annoying!

I'm not the MTT guy around here, but I'm pretty sure those run every Sunday at 6pm EST. The last Sunday of the month is when they usually boost the guarantee to 100k for that tournament. I don't see it listed as such in the lobby right now. At the moment it still says 50k. I'm not sure if it's listed incorrectly or if they're no longer doing 100k for the last Sunday of the month any more.


It actually just started happening to me in the last two weeks or so. They've had 2 updates in the last 2 weeks and I assume the 2nd to last one must have messed with that setting somehow. Hopefully they patch that up asap.

For anybody who was wondering.

I just reinstalled my BOL software but now everytime i log in all my settings are reset to default. Is there a tab or button I can use to save my settings? never used to be like this. Has anybody else been experiencing this issue?

New nickname:
IlIraise8

Is there colluding occurring with the newish leaderboards also? Like players joining up together to play 24/7 and win bigger prizes?

What u mean? In more detail please

I think he means is there accounts running all day long to win the rake races? Presumably the only way this would be possible is the use of a bot or multiple people playing on one account in shifts. So are there accounts that seem to always be present or playing an inhuman amount of hours each week?

There's no colluding that I know of but sometimes there are 2-3 PLO bots at a table and sometimes if those tables break the bots will play each other HU indefinitely and you accumulate a ton of leaderboard points doing that. They are throwing away tons of money to rake, but it also helps the bots finish top 5 in the leaderboards almost always. Also there are a couple regs that will play the bots HU for awhile. So if you see ridiculous totals in the leaderboards like over 1000, then it's likely that they were playing HU continuously for an hour or longer. At least on the 100 and 200 leaderboards, I can't speak to lower than that. Maybe at low-stakes you might find some people 8-tabling for 10+ hours a day, but I don't notice any of that in the mid-stakes PLO.

I wouldn't really advise playing HU for points accumulation though. There's no rake reduction for HU on 6-max tables so you're losing a lot more money off the table in rake than you'll get back in rewards.

When was the rake cap increased?