Hey Marc, this is quite concerning. Can you offer any more details into your situation? What withdrawal method did you use? Have you tried calling and asking to speak with a manager?

Been awhile since I posted but here goes:

I have deposited about $800 at BetOnline in the last month. Have played on their recently and got my account to about $1500. I remember when I made a deposit there was an additional "freeplay" bonus attached. As with most online freeplay offers I expected there would be play conditions, but since I knew I will play poker year round, I wasn't concerned with the T&C's.

So I go to cashout $1200, and get an error prompt telling me that I had not completed the "rollover" for the freeplay bonus (which I still haven't used because I never use the sportsbook).

After waiting on hold for 20 minutes I get an agent (in what sounded like a half baked/Boiler room setting) telling me, "You "signed up" for the freeplay so now you must wager $3,750 in the sportsbook to cash anything out in poker"

$3,750 WAGERED IN THE SPORTSBOOK???

THIS IS A JOKE.

And before anyone responds read the T&C GIVE ME A BREAK. Everyone who's played online poker as long as I have knows they always offer "first deposit bonuses" or "freeplay's" with deposits, BUT NEVER A STRAIGHT UP CON THAT REQUIRES A POKER PLAYER TO WAGER 10 TIMES HIS INITIAL DEPOSIT IN A SPORTSBOOK.

Thanks for listening.

-Will

This is a huge mistake.

Not being concerned with t&c?

Hopefully many will read this and learn from your mistake.

Read all t&c , no matter what. Just read them.

Ya that site is stupid...run by crooks. When they first opened years ago they wouldnt pay peoples withdraws randomly...then they had a superuser scandal which they handled terribly. Now most of they cashgames are russian bot infested.

First I can remember hearing about this - any links or further information?

That can't be right. Last month I played was in August, and all three logged in >2,000 hands just while I was playing.

If I recall correctly and if I'm thinking of the same thing he is then it was only rumors and never proven. I believe the player(s) in question mainly played HU cash games. The HU games became anonymous soon after people started complaining. I can't recall the exact thread, but I definitely remember people talking about it in a 2+2 thread. It has to be in one of the other, slightly older Chico or BetOnline threads.

anyone else do a bitcoin payout this week? I did a $5500 payout thru bitcoin Monday got approved and sent to my wallet, its been 4 full days now with my bitcoin transaction showing ZERO confirmations. Meanwhile bitcoin is down like $5500 since Monday, so my payout is gonna suck. Just curious, I've done TONS of bitcoin payouts with BOL never an issue. First time one has been "stuck" ?

The PLO bots seem to be evolving. The old ones would sit down at 3-4 tables when their botters started a session, and they would never join a new table. They would also sometimes play other bots for long stretches HU.

The new bots now seem to have seating scripts that run the entire session, so they are capable of joining new tables and they are now on more tables.

Sometimes when a new table spawns, I will sit down then 2 bots will sit almost simultaneously (about 10 seconds after I sit). If I play, then they will stay. If I sit out, then 1 of the bots leaves so that they don't play HU.

The bots will now play every single player HU, except another bot. It's all so hilariously obvious with the seating scripts (they're not necessarily in PLO) and HU game selection.

i remember this yea, was in internet poker thread

BetOnline rake is 10% and their tournament are junk compared to ACR....just saying.

LOL OMFG.Its funny because it is a con.

to the people talking about bots at plo... you are probably just playing against hardcore bumhunters. I'm used to doing exactly this: " I will sit down then 2 bots will sit almost simultaneously (about 10 seconds after I sit). If I play, then they will stay. If I sit out, then 1 of the bots leaves so that they don't play HU." with the other regs at msplo on the site

it's standard for humans to act like that. I load up tables im not sitting at that have a reg waiting so when a fish sits i can insta join it (no script). And I keep the lobby open on some screen space so I can join any newly spawned tables. You guys say these are bots but it sounds just like what happens everyday with the human regs I play with.

The reason they dont play hu is because of the rake duh. theyre not teaming against you explicitly but they need you to play for them to play because they can beat you postrake

They will play anyone on the site HU for unlimited hands they just won't play the other known bots. So it's not that they don't play HU due to rake, they don't care about rake.

I'm not even using that as justification they are bots, it was just a change in behavior I noticed and pointed out. It is already obvious based on stats being identical across the board for 5 figure hand samples (and they play in a way that no reg emulates).

Is it only me or BOL keeps crashing for this past few week or so.

No crashing issues here. I'm able to play against bots 24/7.

I'm curious if anyone else has logged a bunch of hands HU vs the bots. I've probably logged about 1200 hands vs the various bots and am not entirely convinced everything is on the up and up.

It's fairly easy to manipulate the hand to get the bot to let you know with high accuracy what they're holding, and I win most of the intermediate pots, but they're winning more than their share of big pots, often with ridiculous run-outs.

I'm not lobbing any official accusations, just curious what experience others have had HU vs bot players (if anyone is crazy enough to play them with any regularity). I will play them a bit more this week, but will pull the plug quickly if I still feel like things are a bit shady.

Careful, your post might trigger certain users to attack your intelligence because it's such a small sample size.... even though its betonline, the shadiest poker site running today. What you're experiencing is, in all likelihood, just variance, and with such a small sample it's impossible to know for sure. But, if there was ever a poker site that figured out how to manipulate the cards, the bots etc to generate more money for their site and then actually implement this knowledge, it would be betonline.

Yes, 98% of people lobbing rigged accusations are new-ish players experiencing negative variance so I don't blame people for defaulting to that reaction.

I've been a winning online player since 2005 who has logged millions of hands, been a SNE, and had 4 figures stolen by Microgaming and Full Flush, and was refunded 5 figures in the Stars DoN Chinese scandal. So I've been around the block.

I know my sample isn't relevant, that's why I'm trying to find out if there are other players with similar experiences or not.

yup, its only me. had to contact support and they gave me a link for the new updated version of their poker client.

anyone have trouble downloading the software from their site? Im using chrome and when i click to download, even after logging in nothing happens. im able to download other links from other sites as well..

nm i was able to click the link on the download page.. before i redeposit though, whats this im reading regarding not being able to withdrawal without gambling on the sportsbook?? should i avoid site completely if i dont ever plan on playing their sportsbook?

Obviously me on my old account but unfortunately my laptop won't be up and running until I get back home later this week.

But I've had some serious issues over the course of a week or so back with certain bot account. Some weird shoves and getting there with runner runner straight flush, runner runner quads etc. Got to the point to where I switched over to Global for awhile because it seemed quite a bit "off" to say the least. Also a few experiences that rubbed me the wrong way while I was sitting at an empty table that I actually wrote out a long pm to you about and deleted as I sounded like a riggie (the latter wasn't me losing hands that was in question but I really had no proof to what I suspected was going on). The site (at least in the PLO Dept) has had a completely different feel the past month or so. Been experimenting with playing LAG lately so maybe it's just the normal variance train but idk...spooked me.

Actually you deserve to have your intelligence questioned if you think a 1200 sample size is anywhere near enough to make any conclusions about anything.

You seriously need to study up on this topic if you don't want to look like an idiot.

Within a 1200 hand session, you can literally have zero pots above 30 bb's or you can have 10 or more pots that are 200 bb's or greater.

Within a 1200 hand session you can have AA three times in a row or you can not have had AA even one time.

It's not that difficult to understand.

There he is, the forum sheriff. You still don't get that I do understand. It is you who looks like an idiot for ignoring parts of my OP and taking other parts out of context to attack me from the get go.

Your initial response showed me that you are a very triggered person with many personality defects and zero social skills and your subsequent posts have confirmed this. This could be that you are a young insecure male so maybe I should have a little empathy.

But then you trot these two brainless obvious examples out...

"Within a 1200 hand session, you can literally have zero pots above 30 bb's or you can have 10 or more pots that are 200 bb's or greater.

Within a 1200 hand session you can have AA three times in a row or you can not have had AA even one time."

It's not that difficult to understand."

It's not that difficult to understand? .....You can't be serious. Are you really this obtuse? I mean, jfc kid, you're stating the obvious here. The fact that you think that I don't know something as dumb as your examples tells me once again that you are useless and you have misread me.