What do you think about the Windfall?

I see that they added that and the ability to mute individual players. What is Windfall? Is it the equivalent to Jackpot SNGs? If so it's probably not my type of thing.

Is boost poker (fast fold) available on the desktop client? It got added to the mobile client this morning but isn't playable yet.

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yep, they are 3 handed jackpot sngs. they just went live

can't see it on my client

I don't see it either when looking at the client from my pc. I prefer regular tables so it kind of stinks that some recreational traffic will be diverted when they implement fast fold. I'm not thrilled about it, but I get that some people prefer it. As for Jackpot SNGs(Windfall) I think they belong in the casino.

Haven’t played on here in a bit and in the meantime have moved to NL25 by grinding out Ignition. I still have money here though and would like to continue to play two sites but I’m afraid to play NL25 on BOL because of the bots. Has it gotten any better in past weeks, or still a disaster

These wind falls seem way too fun to be true.

About the same. Maybe slightly worse because sometimes a new one pops up. It's still possible to have a good winrate. You just have to have the patience to table select well or embrace the higher variance that playing against the bots can cause. It's a pain in the ass that we shouldn't have to deal with, but any competent player will be fine as long as you keep your eyes open for anything suspicious.

What do you mean higher variance vs bots? can you explain a bit?

I'm not going to go into exact details of their play style publicly, but they are very aggressive. They don't tilt or lose focus. Most of them are much tougher opponents than you'd normally find at the lower stakes. Playing against tougher opponents makes your edge in the game smaller if you even have an edge. When playing in tougher games your winrate can really downswing for what seems like an eternity at times and will downswing more often than if you were just playing against the actual regs of the lower stakes.

If you can utilize a HUD properly, and use good reads, you negate your edge when playing fast fold poker. That's personally always my biggest strength, so I only do marginally well in fast fold poker. But yeah, some traffic will get diverted for sure, but a lot of people love it, so maybe it will mitigate itself w/ more traffic overall also.

I don’t play on the network right now, so maybe somebody who’s better informed can tell me what’s going on.

Was just researching chico as an option to play higher stakes sngs; looking at sharkscope leaderboards, there are four new (started play last three weeks) accounts in the top ten for 6max turbos $100-300. Combined they’ve played just over a hundred of the $200 6max turbos (and only these games), with an ROI of around 150% (they are placing first about 60% of the time).

I don’t have a sharkscope subscription at the moment to look into in more detail (how often they play each other etc), but there’s a lot of red flags already. I’ve caught colluders before in these types of games, I assume that’s what’s going on and not the very small chance that it’s 4 new accounts jumping straight into high stakes sngs and each hitting huge heaters.

@monkeyheaven Look at post #4060 of this thread and read on from there. There was a lot of talk in here about SNG cheating around that time.

The network has very poor security. If you suspect something is wrong you're probably right.

How's the bot situation in NLHE? Unfortunately PLO at .25/.50 and .50/1 has seen an influx of 3-5 new botters in the past few days. I have a few 6-max tables that were me, 4 bots, and a tough reg. It's never been this bad before, usually it was 1-2 per table, very rarely 3, but now 3-4 seems like a common occurrence.

Does anyone try to target them HU? I tried playing one HU for awhile and felt like I might have had a slight edge due to recognizing their patterns and messing around with my betsizes to try exploit their inability to adjust. Rake is so high though that it's probably a waste of time in PLO. You lose probably .70 a hand on average in PLO HU rake.

I've also noticed that occasionally the bot accounts will run out of money, which means that they're probably regularly withdrawing most of their balances and getting a lot of money off the site.

About the same. New ones sometimes pop up so it's not getting any better. Regularly there will be 3 at a table. Every once in a while I'll see 4 on one table and just shake my head.

If no good tables have an open seat I'll play one HU, but my edge over them is not big enough to beat the rake and make it worth my time when other options are available. I'm sure a HU crusher could beat them for a decent winrate.

As for running out of money, I've never seen that happen at NLHE and I've played at a lot of tables with many different bot accounts this entire year. It sounds like some of the PLO bot users are underfunded for possible downswings, but as a whole the bots are definitely taking a nice chunk of money out of the games.

Is there no chico staff that post on here or see this forum? Surely they have to see how bad the bot situation is? Have they ever commented on it?

They don’t care

They make $ ...hell maybe they even run their own bots.

This is why I am looking forward to regulated poker in the near future

They banned the last wave of bots after it was getting pretty bad and lots of people were complaining (like now), but that was several months ago at the start of this year and the bot owners just created new accounts and came back a week or 2 after being banned. Even though it was obvious to everyone the bots were back, BetOnline has done nothing and these new bot accounts have continued for months and now new ones are even popping up (at least in PLO). It's gotten to the point where if I see a new account playing 3+ tables, 80% chance it's probably gonna be a bot.

Obviously they have the capability to detect and ban the bot accounts, and I'd imagine there is more than sufficient evidence to ban these guys (at least the same amount of evidence that they had on the last crew), but they probably enjoy the rake the bot accounts generate.

Some of the new bot accounts seem to be more specialized. For example, there is one that rarely plays 6-handed and only seeks out other non-bots for HU or 2-handed play. There is another that doesn't use the same bet-sizing PF for open-raises. I'm not 100% sure these are bot accounts, but after 5k hands they have basically the same exact stats across the board as the other bot accounts. So possibly whatever bot software is used has a bit of customization possible.

They view this thread. I'm certain of it. They do have someone with the 2+2 account name of Tiffany_Martins that posts once or twice a year. They never comment on the bots. They only deny their existence if you ask through email or live chat. I've given them loads of evidence. They are aware there's bots and have shown they aren't going to do anything about them.

The denial of their existence by support and the rule against them that leads the unaware to believe the bots aren't there and aren't allowed while not doing anything to remove the obvious bots is downright scummy.

The bots seemed far less active today in PLO, there were only 2 active late in the evening as opposed to 6-7 last night. It's possible that keeping the attention ITT on the botting going on might be having a positive effective either in termss of the botters reading this thread and getting concerned or BOL taking more action.

I wish/hope that is true Fossil, but I'm very pessimistic that that is the case. It definitely isn't the case in NLHE. There was the usual amount in my regular games tonight.

Even more concerning to me is that the newer accounts I now suspect as bots have some different stats than other bot accounts. Playing through 10nl and 25nl the accounts had almost identical stats across the board. The newer ones still share some of the same traits and some similar stats, but it's clear that there's more customization going on. This makes it more difficult to identify them from just another reg. The good thing is that I don't think that they're as good now as the default profile that they were all using previously. Still not ideal opponents unless you can find a good way to exploit them.

Think you might have just gotten lucky for that night. I haven't played in a while on the site. Are idr@w, p1nejuice, and p1mp still playing every day?

Hi,

I have now waited more than 3 months to get a withdraw of a bit more than 1500$ on TG and all they reply to me is: we're following this issue with our financial department but actually never get back to me.

Anyone has the same issue with tigergaming?

Marc

well that's worrisome.

Well, ****.

I should probably take the rest of my money off the site sooner than later.

No, they were banned at the beginning of 2017, only to come back a week later when the bot owners created new accounts for them. BOL turned a blind eye to this and the new wave of bots has been around for the better part of a year with more new ones making an appearance this past week. Fun times.