Thanks. I did uninstall and re-install but I'll try CCleaner after tonights session after I uninstall again.

Anybody feels change after the update? It looks like nothing changed on software. Since then gutters hit a lot, pocket pairs make set on turn, AA never wins at showdown. It was kinda sucker friendly update or maybe I'm just having the worst two weeks of the last few years...

Which site were you playing at ? I have problem with withdrawing as well Wonder if moving from tigergaming to BOL would make any difference

I have similar feelings Very rarly my hand wins when iam 64-80% favorite on flop plus a lot of set v set and runner runner During last 7 days i am probably below Ev a few 2-3k although i cant check it of course Some strange hands as well when my all in is called by 107s K9 worse pairs and i am loosing almost all

Withdrew my $ and banned my account

Sick of the bots and collusion. Will not give them my $

Good luck all!

CCleaner did the trick! Up and running again. No more half assed MTT sessions, yay!

I've played about 200k cash games on the network this year and I've never suspected anything wrong with the RNG. I've also ran 4x over EV for my last 60k at 25nl and 50nl or so my db says.

As for the bots, collusion and other cheating well it is all completely out of control. I wouldn't advise anybody to deposit here until it is cleaned up. Most tables have cheating of some kind going on. If you don't know who is cheating at your table then you're not aware enough to be playing here safely. Keep your eyes open at all times or you may be handing your money over to a cheating scumbag.


*200k hands in cash games

rng is fine, unless proven otherwise.

variance can be disgustingly ridiculous quite often and for painfully long stretches of hands, 100k, and longer. It's just the nature of the game.

Poker is like 2 blind golfers where one might exercise 1 hour per week more often than the other, and they both compete with each other daily in the windiest city on the planet. Well, as you can imagine, that golf ball will go through extreme wind variance, also with them being blind..but in the end, the one who is slightly better will eventually show a better score over hundreds of matches.

I think most people underestimate the effect of poker variance in small samples.

Variance is unavoidable, sure. It happening right after the big update makes me paranoid They must have changed sth on the update, I cant see any change...

Since early October it felt like i was involved in far too many set up hands, i.e. I flop set while other guy flops top pair. Turn will give opponent 2 pair, we get all the money in and then they will river bigger boat. Stuff like that. So i finally took a closer look and the majority of these hands all took place while I was in the big blind. It's only about a 50k sample but the BB stats are mind boggling compared to the previous 50K- 100k hands.

If you have a decent sample since early October would you mind taking a peek at your BB stats to see if there is anything odd going on for you?

I will add that over these past 50k hands I'm still winning but my win rate has plummeted due to my BB absolutely imploding. It has gotten so bad that it's messing with my head when I make big hands in the BB.

I know its most likely just insane variance but I can't seem to shake it. Thanks in advance if you can do this.

The majority of the updates I see result in the addition or removal of tournaments.

"flop set while other guy flops top pair. Turn will give opponent 2 pair, we get all the money in and then they will river bigger boat. Stuff like that."

Quick, let me order you a bucket from Amazon Prime to catch all those tears.

"So i finally took a closer look and the majority of these hands all took place while I was in the big blind."

LOL yeah ok, rng only messes with you when you're in the big blind, makes sense.

"It's only about a 50k sample but the BB stats are mind boggling compared to the previous 50K- 100k hands. "

So only in the BB, 50k sample...so more like 8000 hand sample size.

By the way, really nice stat comparison it was really thorough data analysis.

I'm not exactly sure what you want me to look at. Should I just check my bb/100h in the Big Blind prior to October and after? I doubt my sample size after October would be that significant. Let me know exactly what I should check and when I get a chance I can private message you what I see.

Oh, hi, very nice to meet you too. Thanks for stopping by with your very generous and constructive criticism. I've learned so much from you in just one post! So I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

If it were any other site than shady betonline I wouldn't think twice about it. Go harass someone else.

bb/hand. But it sounds like you don't have the sample size so don't bother. Plus I don't want to get flamed again by rando internet putz for simply looking into something that is most likely an anomaly/variance. Thanks for trying.

yeah I bet if luck was in your favor you wouldn't be complaining about the rng...

and if you don't realize what was wrong with your previous post then I cannot help you further

I'm not sure anyone other than a bot or a multitabling maniac on adderall would have a significant sample from one position over a 2 month period, but I'd be more than happy to check what I have. I will private message you after I have a little time to check.

Don't mind Noob. He's actually a pretty good guy. Most stat geek poker nerds like us are going to be pretty dismissive of people questioning the rng with a small sample size. I understand not trusting this network though.

Thats where you're wrong. I never complained.You're confusing the example I give for complaining. I'm questioning a spot, that's it.

If I was getting extremely lucky over and over again in the big blind of course I wouldn't complain, nobody would complain. That seems rather obvious. But I would question it. And if it continued I would question it more.

I think you've misread this entire situation.

Damn, the tournament schedule sucks ass now.. There's really nothing after 10:45PM CT anymore all the way till like 5:30AM... What was the point of removing all of those?

Although im sure that $850k Jackpot is promoting cash game and bots right now. Would be worth it just to run a bot on a Jackpot table as many hours as you can..

guys it's very easy to have a 40 bb difference between 2 relative points in a hand history with an 8000 hand sample size...lol

hence my sarcastic surprise earlier..

one can run -20bb over 10,000 hands just as easily as +20bb over 10000 hands.

just run a variance simulator

I wonder how the payout will work for the winner? If I'm not mistaken 10k per week is the max withdrawal. That would take more than 6 months to get paid out in full if there's no other arrangements. I'm hoping a reg from here wins, but my money is on a bot scoring it.

I agree. It's just too small of a sample to make any definitive claims.

lol.. probably a bunch of different types of payments. bitcoin, MG, litecoin.. one of each per day.. thats a lot of money to cash out though lol..

Hi, guys looking at depositing with this site what are cashout times like?

The winner is going to get at least 300k. For that type of money I'd rather take a flight to wherever they're located and do a full transaction in person. Your bank is probably going to start to wonder what the heck is going on when you start depositing an extra 10k a week out of nowhere for 30 weeks straight. That is unless you're comfortable keeping it all in bitcoin which might make it worth more than a million in a year.

Depends on the method and if they need you to verify your identification. Bitcoin can be as quick as within a day. Checks can take a couple of weeks.