Been on Betonline for the past year. Haven't really enjoyed it that much because of the layout and of course the endless bot encounters. Which other networks are possible for a US player in Texas that I can use that is trustworthy?

My other options on the table is ACR or Ignition. I'm going to buckle down and grind out a roll but I don't want to risk it on Betonline anymore.

So around noon I noticed an account that had won over $1000 in about 350 hands at 25nl 6max all played within the last week. Most of the money came from 2 accounts which were clearly chip dumping, but also likely colluding when somebody else was in the pot with them. I contacted live chat with all of the relevant information. I was only able to warn the players at the table after the first of the two offenders left. The second offender left immediately after I got on the table.

9 hours later and they're back at it so I contacted live chat and asked why these accounts were still playing. They said the investigation was still in progress which is ridiculous. It was completely transparent to me what was happening after taking one look at the amount won by the one account and the amount lost by the second account at the table. I literally knew what was going on in under 1 minute.

Unfortunately there is a huge waiting list and I can not warn the players. The problem here is that any money won from these accounts and money won after is subject to confiscation and I've never heard of refunds should they lose money to these accounts. The names of the players are b1877 and bokamosa. They are at the 25nl 6max table #10696. b1877 is sitting with $350 at 25nl. SMFH.

The security on this network is nonexistent.

What kind of poker do you like more? HUD poker with rakeback(ACR) or soft and anonymous(Bonition)?

Honestly, I don't know. I never had to consider rakeback and I am use to playing against fish from Betonline. My goal at the moment is to get my bankroll to grow from a $320 deposit. I know for sure that I'm not going to trust Betonline with my cash anymore. I also want to get better and move on to live with said roll.

If you really want to get better I would tough it out here or on ACR. Anonymous poker, where you are given random seating and very little information, is a different thing all together from real poker and I don't think it gives you the best environment for learning all of the aspects of the game and improving your skills. I say put a tiny deposit on each and see what feels right.

I guess I'm moving to ACR. If I lose half my roll, then I'll come back to BetOnline with my tail between my legs. Last time I was on there, I did pretty well with very little effort. I hope I remember my credentials.

I like table selecting. I've put in over 800 hours by now on BetOnline and that's one thing I will not give up.

Hope BetOnline gets their s**t together with the bot problem. If that goes or at least addressed then I would come back for the fish.

The homie p0ker_n00b just got on the table. I hope for his sake he doesn't win or lose to these accounts. b1877 is over $520. What the hell is security doing?

LOL VIEBU just sucked out on the dumper. Poor guy doesn't even realize they're going to take that money.

I've been having a good experience with ACR so far. There's a lot of regs from 12am-5am CST, but otherwise the games are pretty good. 1-2 fish at most tables.

I've had no problems with support, and their VIP program seems pretty cool. I've heard they also provide 27% rakeback, but can't confirm this.

After all the shady, schemey, idiotic, unreasonable, and ungrateful decisions BetOnline has made, I would encourage anyone to switch to ACR or Ignition.

Side note: I'm part of a 6max study group. For anyone looking to improve their game 10nl-50nl, pm me.

Is it down for anyone else?

It worked flawlessly for me in my old location (Europe), now I am living in the Midwest USA and hoping I won't become part of the group who can never stay connected and has to keep trying 20x to login successfully.

Thanks for the advice River_King! I might take you up on the offer as well when I upgrade my system which should be soon. I don't want to put any new programs like skype/discord on this piece of junk I'm using.

I'm in the midwest and it's running as bot friendly as ever. Lobby says 4000 players and there's tons of cash tables running littered with cheaters.

Sounds like an inviting atmosphere! (I finally logged back in)

Yeah, I read about the 27% rakeback. No idea what it means but I'll read in to it. Also, I might take you up on the 6-max group chat after I get myself adjusted in my new home.

I was just reviewing the transcripts of the chat I had with live support earlier and I came across this automated gem.

"No player shall have the right to require us to take any steps against players suspected of collusion, cheating or any other form of fraud."

Yeah well it would be nice if you put in some effort without me asking for something to be done when I'm providing you with the necessary information and monitoring the cheating in the games closer than you are. It's either that you are not monitoring it or you're allowing it.

It really makes it look like they're allowing cheating to collect the rake until these players try to cash out. Then will confiscate their funds, not reimburse those who lost to these accounts, as well as confiscate the winnings players got who happened to accidentally play against these "fraud accounts," and even more insane, take the money they made after winning from these accounts. This is the textbook definition of a scam.

If they were truly devious they'd have employees designated to commit violations just to justify the confiscation of winnings from unknowing players claiming they had won money from supposed "fraud accounts."

I never trusted this network in the past. You can search the forums for all of the old threads regarding cheating, bots and nonpayments for my reasons as to why. It really looked like they were getting their **** together over the last couple of years, but it appears they can't shake their shady past instincts. They just polished up a turd and tried to pass it off as a legitimate poker network. And it worked as evidenced by the traffic they now have.

I would not advise anybody to deposit here until these concerns are addressed.

I've thought about investing a lot of time in the $1.10 SnG 6-max Turbo's.

They're packed, they have a leader board.. seems like a great opportunity to grind a BR.

Opinions on the SNG's on the site? They seems SO active.

At this point absolutely thinking of just moving back to ACR and building a role ground up. I just hope BOL gives me my withdrawal. I really don't trust them at this point based on what I'm reading!

fwiw, games are still beatable and I have never had any cashout problems.

What would you rather have, 4 regs that are humans or 4 bots that are not perfectly programmed, and who aren't huge crushers at their limits?

From a business standpoint, they don't care because they get rake money anyway - if their site had 100% bots raking all day long, they'd be happy. Plus they wouldn't need customer service bc the bots wouldn't be asking them questions all day long, etc. Then when bots want to cashout, it's easy for the site to say you're a bot, I'm going to keep your winnings.

As long as I continue to profit, I'll keep playing. If cashouts ever become a problem, I'm going to ditch that site faster than you can blink because we all know what happens when a site begins to have hiccups in their cashouts....it always ends in failure...

I assume you were referring to very good, solid regs at which point I would agree. I agree that for the better regs at the stakes you and me play they are not a huge issue to play against. I don't want to disclose too much info publicly, but 5 of them are some of the biggest winners at 25nl and 50nl over the last month. Another 5 are winning at a rate over 10bb/100h. Most are not winning as much, but the potential is there. If they were all terrible or break even I wouldn't have as big of an issue with them.

The biggest issue is the rate at which they obliterate the weaker players. They occupy real estate that should be reserved for real players and can put in huge volume without tilting or losing focus.

25nl and 50nl are definitely still beatable, but every day there is more bots. Frequently now there is 3 on a table which makes playing low traffic hours pretty awful.

I haven't heard of any mass issues with payouts, but post #3883 should be a big red flag to everyone when there's so much clear rule breaking going on at the moment. I hope you have no issues regarding the collusion table from last night. Earlier I saw the guy who got the chip dumps hop on for one orbit and then quickly leave, but I didn't see the other account.

I can't comment personally as I haven't put in much volume in their sngs, but 10% rake seems high. There is definitely bots that play them, but I couldn't tell you how big of a problem they are in those games.

Appreciate it.

Also, do you know someone who handles cash out issues with BOL? I saw you post someones Twitte earlier but I couldn't find anything on it. Want it just in case I have future issues with cashouts!

One more thing, do you think BOL is softer than IGNITION?

I'm not sure who else you could contact regarding poker. @DaveMason runs the BetOnline sportsbook and I've seen him help get sportsbook payment issues resolved in the past. You could try to get ahold of him if you have a problem, but I can't say for certain if he could help.

I don't play as much over there these days, but I think Bonition is probably still softer than the Chico network even if you remove the bots here.

Wait, so if u win the BBJP on tiger the jp will be divided:

https://www.tigergaming.com/promotio...d-beat-jackpot(click terms&conditions)

35% of the bonus to the player who has the bad beat.
17.5% to the winner of the hand.
17.5% to be split evenly among the rest of the table.
30% seeded back into the bonus for the next Bad Beat Jackpot.

And if u win at betonline:

https://www.betonline.ag/bad-beat-jackpot

27.50% of pot to player with the bad beat
15% of pot to the winner of the hand
15% of pot split among other players at the table
5% of pot split among players at other bad beat tables
27.50% of pot seeded into the next BBJ
The jackpot is a progressive so there is no limit to how big it can get!
*10% of the jackpot will go towards administrative fees.

These dickheads take 10% themselves for "admin fees". So 60+k for processing couple of transactions. GG Betonline.

e. did they just add this as the bbjp got bigger, anyone remember seeing this 10% before? i dont.

The former, because:

You're saying you'd rather have bots at the tables than humans, because the bots obliterate the weaker players?

Help me out here OP...

Typo.

Lots of talk about bots at 25 and 50nl. Games are still super beatable. Ive played on Tiger all year and done pretty well in these games despite them being "bot infested". Would love to hear which players you guys think are bots.

I told Chi Town that I would do a stat comparison analysis of suspected bots - seriously suck at getting around to doing it but I'm quite convinced there are more bots than there should be, after I started looking out for weird things like 4bet sizings, post flop shoves, timing issues, players who sit on broken tables, just alla round weird out of line random ass plays, etc - now some of them could be very weak regs with reg stats, or they could be bots that just do random dumb **** from time from time

although if suspected bots have similar stats and share other similar qualities, that's a slam dunk proof of botting imo.

Names aren't mentioned bc nobody wants to name an actual reg suspected of being a bot , not because we aren't certain of our evidence.