These bots make the bulk of their money obliterating fish and weak regs. The only thing they typically have over solid regs is sheer volume. I don't know about these bots in particular, but the low stakes bots account for an unbelievably large percentage of the money taken off the site.

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These bots beat the games. The bots are probably the best .5/1 players on the site. Anybody else who is better than them moves up stakes rather quickly. Actively seeking out Pimp or Pinejuice seems like a mistake considering the average skill of players at .5/1.

Also, please provide any sort of evidence that these are "house" bots if you're going to make that claim.

This ^ is one of the easiest ways to spot them. They have some of the most money won at their respective stake yet they never move up. When I was tracking .05/.10 there was a single bot that made about 5k over 6 months.

He has disappeared recently. Let's just say he wasn't the best man.

There arent really games consistently running above 1/2NL for good players to move up to

I can understand that, but 5k ain't enough to test out .10/.25 for once?

I can't log into my BOL acct atm.. Anyone else down? when I try to log in I get message saying "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

We are working to bring the site back"

I'm on, but have been logged in for hours now. Lobby is dead though.

Nice seating script you got there B3GT3. Sorry for messing with you. I'm not quite rolled for 1000NL yet. Patience young bumhunter.

He is nearly always sitting alone so firing up a table with him while multi-tabling others is easy money IMO - even if it is only at $100 per clip he/she/it is VERY exploitable and absolutely worth my time to play (and I play the highest level available on BOL but in order to put volume in I'll play as low as 100).

I cannot speak to pinejuice as I do not have nearly as much experience with him heads up.

As I said before, he may very well be a bot...but if so he's not a very good one. Maybe they can beat the weak regs/fish to win 1bb/100 but these are definitely not crushers. Also, I can't imagine there is a way to track the winners and see if they are in fact taking $x.xx off of the site is there?

Don't know about those bots specifically, but the low stakes ones win between 7-10bb/100h over 100ks hand samples, but I could understand how it would be less at higher stakes.

If you don't mind sharing, what's your bb/100 and total amount of hands HU vs iDraw? How many hands total do you have of iDraw/PineJuice/Pimp to show they are breaking even or 1bb/100 winners at best? I have ~40,000 hands on iDraw/PineJuice/pimp at 6-max. Safe to say their winrate is a good amount more than 1bb/100. I realize 40,000 isn't the most significant sample.

I haven't been able to find a HUD that works on BOL PLO so I don't have any exact hard figure stats to back up what I'm figuring.

The 1bb/100 wasn't meant to be taken as proven hard number - more as my 'guesstimate' on what these bots can beat the low stakes games for based upon my experience. They may be able to beat the total droolers for slightly more but the 7bb/100 mentioned a few times here seems awfully high.

I should mention the 7-10bb/100h is for low stakes nlhe bots and not plo bots.

Anyone else disconnected? I was only in a $1R tournament (right before add-on period) and got disc'd.. when i try to log in says "Network error HTP status code: 0
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The alleged accounts/bots are the some of the biggest winners at the PLO100 tables. Still, they are non gigantic winners like I once assumed (sitting on 10buy in stacks, when really, they have dumped 5 of those or more beforehand).

I think, that I want to keep this talk on the low, because whoever the owners of the bots are - they are probably familiar with twoplustwo - and if they indeed are housebots - then they definitely are on twoplustwo and reading these forums.

It's safe to say that whatever information we dilute about the bots tendencies, that eventually bot programmers will fix in their installations. It's possible that bots will be able to beat very high level poker one day - it will not not be our lifetimes though, I think, and that's what makes playing them so juicy.

When I first deposited on BOL, started playing OMAHA, I remember playing Zalatar - which I now suspect he's a bot playing .5/10c - and I'm like, "why the fk is this guy playing micro? He can beat much higher stakes than this". I know, because I played 5/10he hu for a living and can see advanced moves. The guy would be 3betting the river as a bluff, I had top boat so I got to see what he had.

I also suspect that if these bots ever sat down at higher stakes on this site - where there are more winning regs who need to get better over time - would becoming losing players - especially once players realized they are bots! I think that's the key - once you know someone is a bot you throw away all the top layers of metagame and you can relax. Knowing that if you do 100% of a move all the time, he will be exploited because a bot has no thinking - no sense of past and future - it doesn't say "oh, he just raised me 10 times in a row on the river, he is running me over bluffing" - nope - those 10 hands are weighed equally, as just another statistic in their data bank.

Also, I am interested in crushing them, so I will team up with anyone wanting to exchange strategy, but not be posting anything publicly.

Good luck!

I don't believe you are very up to date on your botting news. I'd like to direct you over to the 2+2 thread where 7 of the 10 highest winners at plo were found to be bots at Pokerstars.

Botmakers (at least the good ones) are constantly updating/improving their bots so this statement is incorrect.

I don't know the inner workings of the bots playing on the chico network, but I can tell you with certainty that they don't play me the same way they did when I first played them as they do now after several thousand played against them.

Site is down today along with wpn.. must be a internet issue down south..