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Old 03-02-2017, 09:22 AM   #2501
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

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Does anyone live in Las Vegas, can you play BetOnline and cash out there?
They allow accounts from all states in the US.
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Old 03-02-2017, 02:57 PM   #2502
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

I tried to make a bitcoin deposit to BOL. I've made several deposits/cashouts via bitcoin. I received an email from BOL that says

"This is Lorraine from Player Services, I hope you are doing fine these days.

Please be informed that we have reviewed on the system and the following BitCoin Address you generated is not longer valid to be used on the website, we apologize for the inconvenience:"

So i'm a bitcoin noob how do i get the coins back in my wallet. I sent from blockchain.
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Old 03-03-2017, 03:20 AM   #2503
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

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How can you guys tell if a player is a bot? I guess other than not chatting.
There are many threads here and plenty of pages that answer this question if you google it. You will easily be able to identify alot of them if you read up a little. Obviously as the technology advances they may become harder to spot.

The ones I currently come across:

Never speak.
Play every single day. No days off since I've been monitoring them since August.
Play the same hours every day.
Don't take breaks during long sessions.
Don't switch tables.
Multi-table 5 or more tables while still playing close to 30% of hands at each table. (6max NLHE)
Hardly ever have losing days.
They tend to have the most money at most tables they're at after a couple hours.
If you have a database they tend to have the most hands played while still maintaining a ridiculously high winrate.

They have leaks, but they obliterate fish and weak regs over time.

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Old 03-03-2017, 04:25 AM   #2504
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

you've just described the majority of winning regs
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Old 03-03-2017, 04:41 AM   #2505
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

I seriously doubt the majority of winnings regs don't have a day off here and there.
The exact same hours every day with not sitting out here and there over an 8 hour stretch is also highly unlikely.

While not everything I mentioned by itself is indicative of botting. A closer look should be taken when all those things are true.

The scary thing is is that most of those things I listed have likely already been addressed by the better botting programmers out there.

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Old 03-03-2017, 06:32 AM   #2506
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

I also forgot to mention that all 4 I currently suspect have the exact same preflop vpip and pfr. Every other pre and postflop stat is within 3% of eachother.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:50 AM   #2507
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I also forgot to mention that all 4 I currently suspect have the exact same preflop vpip and pfr. Every other pre and postflop stat is within 3% of eachother.
What stakes are you talking about? Not 200+nl for sure since theres noone playing those hours day in day out without breaks after august.

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Play the same hours every day.
Don't switch tables.
Multi-table 5 or more tables while still playing close to 30% of hands at each table. (6max NLHE)
Hardly ever have losing days.
They tend to have the most money at most tables they're at after a couple hours.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:27 AM   #2508
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What stakes are you talking about? Not 200+nl for sure since theres noone playing those hours day in day out without breaks after august.

Also LOL at:
Yeah obviously low stakes where most players aren't aware enough to spot them and won't make a stink about them. One is currently at 21bb/100h over last 26,000h, yet he is content not to move up.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:32 PM   #2509
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

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How can you guys tell if a player is a bot? I guess other than not chatting.
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Never speak.
Play every single day. No days off since I've been monitoring them since August.
Play the same hours every day.
Don't take breaks during long sessions.
Don't switch tables.
Multi-table 5 or more tables while still playing close to 30% of hands at each table. (6max NLHE)
Hardly ever have losing days.
They tend to have the most money at most tables they're at after a couple hours.
If you have a database they tend to have the most hands played while still maintaining a ridiculously high winrate.
I think only the bolded is a decent point, but it only slightly supports an argument, not make it. Spotting a single bot on it's own is difficult. Botmakers want to make as much money as possible, and they can't just have one bot playing 24 hours a day. That would be too obvious. So instead, they make 3 bots that rotate playing 8 hours a day. There are threads on 2p2 that tell you how to spot bots. It's pretty much comes down to certain stats. The bots are winning players who not only have similar/same stats, but they are vastly different than those of other regs at the stakes they play. Just remember that whatever you say in this thread is being viewed by the botmaker.

Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that BOL doesn't care enough to eliminate the bots. They are happy with the extra short-term rake they are getting.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:01 PM   #2510
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

Bots are like the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause, figments of your f*****g imagination. Give it a rest and study your game
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:53 PM   #2511
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They allow accounts from all states in the US.
So I could play Betonline even in regulated states like Delaware New Jersey???
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:57 PM   #2512
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Bots are like the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause, figments of your f*****g imagination. Give it a rest and study your game
Sigh. You literally have no idea what's really going on in the online poker world if you truly believe this. Either that or you're a botter that's trolling me.

I do study regularly. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to spot such irregularities.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:00 PM   #2513
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So I could play Betonline even in regulated states like Delaware New Jersey???
Yes you could.
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:33 PM   #2514
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I think only the bolded is a decent point, but it only slightly supports an argument, not make it. Spotting a single bot on it's own is difficult. Botmakers want to make as much money as possible, and they can't just have one bot playing 24 hours a day. That would be too obvious. So instead, they make 3 bots that rotate playing 8 hours a day. There are threads on 2p2 that tell you how to spot bots. It's pretty much comes down to certain stats. The bots are winning players who not only have similar/same stats, but they are vastly different than those of other regs at the stakes they play. Just remember that whatever you say in this thread is being viewed by the botmaker.

Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that BOL doesn't care enough to eliminate the bots. They are happy with the extra short-term rake they are getting.
Really? I feel like that's one the weakest points. Many players have chat turned off.

Two play during the afternoon/evening. Two during the overnight/morning.

The stats are definitely different from other winning regs at the stakes. And almost identical to eachother.

Why should I care if they look at this thread? I haven't mentioned a name and I'm not talking about their leaks. I've also started to just switch tables when they show up right on time every single day.

I agree. I don't have the slightest amount of hope that BOL will do a thing.

Sad, but if you can program a winning bot to play at BOL it is definitely +ev. Unless, of course, these particular ones had some sort of relationship with the site itself. But then again I'd never accuse such a respectable site of doing something like that.

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Old 03-04-2017, 03:28 AM   #2515
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

This is the first time I have not received my check from Betonline in 7days. Its also the first withdraw Ive made since before SuperBowl.

Have they slowed down? anyone have ETAs lately?
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:31 PM   #2516
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Can someone pls explain to me how a network like chico can be one of the lowest popular options available to USA players yet have more traffic at reg speed HU SNGS then pokerstars pre BF?! I'm talking like 4 games going during off hours at the 500 reg speeds. If you look at WPN people are sitting in the 50-1k lobbies all day long and not really getting any action besides hypers.

The only logical explanation I have for this is bots/superusers and I hope someone can show me different because it just doesn't add up.
nobody??!!
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Old 03-05-2017, 04:33 PM   #2517
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nobody??!!
I postes about this type of stuff 2 pages ago.

As i do point out very very often it'll be the same 30-50 players and I have talked to most of them so I would doubt this is the case. I actually see some HU SnG waiting for 1 player for hours sometimes. Don't get me wrong you could be right but you could also just be not used to such a low traffic site.

I play on tiger gaming and besides their super super fast withdrawl processing I question everything the site has to offer.
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Old 03-05-2017, 10:51 PM   #2518
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

pretty sure fen1xeg is a bot in the micro-PLO(25/50)
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:18 PM   #2519
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pretty sure fen1xeg is a bot in the micro-PLO(25/50)
that SN has been around several networks for years. Not that it indicates anything, one way or another.
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:36 PM   #2520
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pretty sure fen1xeg is a bot in the micro-PLO(25/50)

Moneygrab seems to fit the profile too. Plays everyday only 25/50plo. Very aggro(compared to genpop). Seems to crush, but never ever plays even one limit higher. Never chats. Opensits the tables like pimp/pine/idraw but doesn't always join fresh tables even if they are onetabling and there is good action on a new table.
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Old 03-06-2017, 04:32 AM   #2521
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Re: Unofficial Chico Network (BetOnline, Tiger, etc.) Discussion Thread

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pretty sure fen1xeg is a bot in the micro-PLO(25/50)
Also played 6 max NLHE. Also has identical stats to the 5 others I suspect. Don't see him anymore though.
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:42 AM   #2522
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Moneygrab seems to fit the profile too. Plays everyday only 25/50plo. Very aggro(compared to genpop). Seems to crush, but never ever plays even one limit higher. Never chats. Opensits the tables like pimp/pine/idraw but doesn't always join fresh tables even if they are onetabling and there is good action on a new table.
yeah MoneyGrab as well. I have some decent experience with Fen guy, his all ins that ive had against him are really weird and calculated as ****. Im trying to find a pattern if theres another 1/2/3 accounts that sit at the table when he is there, only reason his all in would make sense sometimes if he has information about other cards
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Old 03-07-2017, 07:28 AM   #2523
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Haven't seen pimp, idraw or pinejuice all day today(last 10 hrs). Can't remember the last time that was the case. Could it be BOL actually did something about them?

On the other hand, there was a noticeable drop in action sitewide today as well.
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:04 PM   #2524
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Haven't seen pimp, idraw or pinejuice all day today(last 10 hrs). Can't remember the last time that was the case. Could it be BOL actually did something about them?

On the other hand, there was a noticeable drop in action sitewide today as well.
I haven't seen them online since Friday. Not getting my hopes up just yet though. Do you think BOL would send out an email confirming they've been booted? I'm not sure.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:48 PM   #2525
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NLHE regs,

How much is you winrate affected by playing in the BBJ tables? I assume it's still fairly profitable.
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