Would people be in support of Bodog/Bovada raising the min buy-in level to 40bb? Do you think management would be receptive to this idea?

For 2000NL the min-buy in is 50BB, so they clearly don't want people short stacking the biggest game. Why do they let people do it in the mid stakes games then? I think 40bb is a fair compromise to let the fish still buy in small but stop pro short stackers.

Or keep it at 30BB but if you double up and leave within 3 orbits you can't join another table for 15 minutes. That may be too complicated tho.

(1) I didn't post how to combat the strategy. What I said is that I have insufficient fold equity on MY shoves when my stack falls below a certain size. Best strategy to combat short-stack shoves is to call (or come over the top) with the correct hands. Most regs don't.

(2) I applaud you as a purist who is interested in playing "poker". I'm only interested in crushing the game.

Mbn. You'd think with with no great reward system that they would throw out some reload bonuses on regular basis.

This was requested a few times when I was a rep, and the reply was always that they were happy with where the min. buy-in was set.

Just so i understand where you're coming from, if you hold AJ on the button and raise a $2 limper to $10, you are playing real poker, but when I then destroy your positional advantage and implied odds by shoving for $80 from the big blind, I am not playing real poker?

OK. The more I think about it the less I want the change anyway, things are great the way they are now. Don't need any unintended consequences like fish leaving because it makes them upset they can't dust off $120 at a time at time. Make them buy in for $160 and they might stop playing or drop down lower.

The winning short stackers are buying in for more than the bare minimum. You're suggestion would cull out the Losing short stackers.

If it isn't obvious to you poker is designed to play one street at a time. Not get all the money in pre and run it out. If not then they would just deal all 5 cards on the flop. I suspect you realize this, that is why your so eager to defend yourself. Rationalize away.

hence my post right above this post. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. This has been debated for a decade now. You are playing within the rules, so nothing I can do about it. Good luck at the tables sir.

Agreed. Even though i don't play there as much anymore, and play lower, the short stackers are generally fish so any move to reduce short-stacking would reduce fish. And, as the crusher said, all you have to do is click the call button to combat pros like him lol

Your second point is kind of moot when you have a 4 table cap. A good player will make more full stacking on 4 tables than short stacking.

Short stacking is easier and allows for more tables to be played without win rate degradation. But again is irrelevant at 4 tables.

But enjoy "crushing"

The pre-flop position-grabbing strategy followed by most regs on Bovada is bad at best, and highly exploitable when I'm involved. Think about the AJ on the button example I just gave. You are betting $10 to win a $5 pot. Okay so let's say I don't shove from the button and the limper calls you. Flop comes K72. He checks to you. Now you Chet $17. If he folds, you have put $27 in play to win $13. So even if I don't exploit you from the button, you're digging a grave for yourself in the long run. This is why most of you regs lose.

But I decide to put you out of your misery by shoving $80 from the button. Stupidly calling me with something like KQ will only add another flaw to your already bad playing style.

Putting in $27 to win $13 = digging a grave

Putting in $80 to win $12 = putting someone out of their misery?

Then why do Phil Helmuth and many other experts say to get all the chips in the pot pre with KK? Son, some of us are here to make money, not peel cards off the deck a street at a time.

Ainsley would you consider a win rate prop bet?

Obviously short stacking can be profitable, the problem becomes it takes no real inherent poker knowledge outside of some basics and a HUD.

But at the end of the day your win rate won't be better than someone full stacking with skill. You are free to do what you want but at least call a spade a spade. Your lulzy comment about crushing brought me out of the woodworks in this convo.

Let me know if interested in win rate prop. I don't even play NL cash but may switch over for the lulz of a bet.




At the end of the day try win rate is capped lower while short stacking.

You are not interested in crushing you are interested in easy decisions and complacent with your win rate

You're assuming I'm shoving light.

I'm not.

But I may still want you to fold, depending on pot size. Say for example I have JJ and you have now put the pot at $15 with your raise. If I have pegged your range such that I only have $14 EV if you call, then I want you to fold.

Listen guys, there's plenty of math behind what I do. If you don't want to play that way, then fine, but don't cop the attitude that your style of play is the only correct one. There's more than one way to beat any game. One of the reasons I do so well at mine is that my stack size causes the regs in an anonymous game to mistake me for the typical noob buying in short to lose less.

Solid evidence that Isolating fish on button with AJ is unprofitable. When does your strategy book come out?

edit: I think we are being trolled her guys. Either way, it probably not the bet idea for any of us to talk strategy in this thread. I am truly sorry for my role in this conversation, I wish I had not replied to his first post.

I'd go broke pretty quick without any skill. 80% of the hands I play do not involve a shove.

As for a prop bet, I'm not into that. But here's what I will do. I'll post the results of my next 40,000 hands.

I'm not getting into a strat discussion, but I want to know: After you double-up, do you leave, wait 5 minutes, and rejoin the same tables with your preset initial amount?

I find isolating fish to be pretty profitable live. Not so much on Bovada where the skill level even among many fish is much higher.

As for strategy, I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable too, although I really haven't disclosed anything you can use to beat me. Rest assured though, I'm not a troll. I just get annoyed when players turn their nose up at a style that doesn't match their own.

Anyone else having issues with the live update when opening the poker client? Any advice?

I never said you didn't have skill.

You said you are interested in crushing, when that's obviously not the case. You are interested in simple decisions and minimizing the different spots you will be put in. Again I have no doubt that short stacking can be super profitable. But again, let's call a spade a spade.

Win rates are super capped while short stacking.

No, I tend to stay a while. But my implied odds are ruined when the stack gets too high, so I revert to more of a TAG style. That being said, I seldom stay for more than about fifty hands at any table, because of HUDs.

After switching to my current strategy, I analyzed average win rates before and after for hands in my shoving range. I found the field of after hands as a group to be higher, although AA and KK did come in lower.

Look, we haven't even defined what win rate constitutes crushing. Give me a few months, I'll publish the 40,000 hand results, and we'll let the chips fall where they may. I'll include a PT4 screen shot.

Time to quit tapping the glass.