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01-25-2012 , 06:52 AM
I urge you all to try it out so Bodog will have some money to pay me if they ever decide to let me cash out.
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01-25-2012 , 06:57 AM
Why can't you cashout?
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01-25-2012 , 07:00 AM
cause they wait until I am on tilt and have all my money on the tables before they decide to check if the deposit can go through yet. To be sure if I logged out for 24 hours they would process the cash out. I'm not really complaining, I just think it's amusing. Also their cash out policies are WEIRD. It's not like they won't let me cash out, but I have tried 5 cash outs so far all declined because of 'insufficient e-cash'.
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01-25-2012 , 07:10 AM
Lol Minted does that too and it is annoying. You try to cashout and since cashouts take 1-2 wks+ you end up playing here and there and then you decide to check the casher and see "insufficient funds for cashout" then I get tilted and go blow a few BIs and start the process all over again.


edit: Does anyone know how much RB the first time deposit bonus is equal to?
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01-25-2012 , 07:28 AM
are these poker points worthless or what?
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01-25-2012 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
cause they wait until I am on tilt and have all my money on the tables before they decide to check if the deposit can go through yet. To be sure if I logged out for 24 hours they would process the cash out. I'm not really complaining, I just think it's amusing. Also their cash out policies are WEIRD. It's not like they won't let me cash out, but I have tried 5 cash outs so far all declined because of 'insufficient e-cash'.
Why do you post the same question/comment twice? It's already been addressed that you need to not have money in play that is supposed to be cashed out. Is it really that difficult to understand?

What is weird about their policy?
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01-25-2012 , 10:50 AM
My check cleared without problem!
Now:
previous poster mentioned "house bots"

I never considered this, but what better way to make sure you bring in more money? In doing so, what precautions would they need to make first?
ANONYMOUS PLAYERS so no one can prove it.

Im usually the first to bash people for calling a site rigged, but the monster over monster is getting hard to ignore. Second nuts just doesn't get beat this much in poker. I hope its just a coincidence for the 100's who have noticed it but......
(commence conspiracy theories)
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01-25-2012 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
are these poker points worthless or what?
The only people who care about points are those without a roll
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01-25-2012 , 11:48 AM
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Why do you post the same question/comment twice?
Someone asked me a question and I answered it.

Is that okay with you?


Their policy is weird because u only get 1 cheque per month or u have to pay $50. Cheques max of 3k? fing weird!
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01-25-2012 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by indio
I too have been noticing "strange" sequences at Bovada. I think the biggest fuel for the fire of conspiracy, is that the site owner and poker manager have practically come right out and said they don't want winning poker players "ruining the ecosystem". So if they designed new software to keep the money with the fish longer (so they can blow it at the casino/sportsbook,) what's to say they haven't programmed in a tilted RNG? And this software is so lousy, perhaps the RNG is second rate if it is legit, which also could create an abundance of weirdness.

I'm a heads-up sit and go player myself, and my biggest beef is that the card dealing slows down to the point where very few hands per level gets dealt, which in turn means more games get to the 75/150 + levels of auto shoving and races (obviously giving more of a chance to the poorer player). Not to mention, the games being slow get boring and annoying. I have complained about this from day 1 and nobody at Bovada cares or has any desire to fix the problem.

As far as statistical evidence goes, I can look at my own raw data. At PokerStars, playing 20,30,50,and 100 two player games, i was a little over 59% win rate after 9,000 + games (don't feel like looking for the exact figures right now.)

My record at Bodog before the software change was 1298-926 for a win pct. of 58.36%

My record after the software change is 207-171 for a terrible win pct. of 54.76%. And believe me, the majority of these games are against the worst players on Earth.

Now only 378 games is not enough to establish a 3.5% drop in win rate, but if I can stand playing another 1,000 games at this hellhole, I'm curious to see if the rates are consistent.

I must admit, I love to play the game, but after Black Friday, it was a major drop, but at least the old Bodog software games were still enjoyable, playable, and profitable. But now, it's so bad that I might just have to stop playing all together, or move to Canada. Not because I can't fill that time with other things that make money, but it really pisses me off that as a free adult, I cannot play a simple game of cards online at the place of my choosing, strictly because law enforcement abuses their power to protect special interests.
I usually keep track of $/sng, mine has dropped about 30%.
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01-25-2012 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
Someone asked me a question and I answered it.

Is that okay with you?


Their policy is weird because u only get 1 cheque per month or u have to pay $50. Cheques max of 3k? fing weird!
The largest running network for U.S. players does the exact same thing. Do you realize that providing this service to U.S. players is more difficult than it has been in the past?
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01-25-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
Someone asked me a question and I answered it.

Is that okay with you?


Their policy is weird because u only get 1 cheque per month or u have to pay $50. Cheques max of 3k? fing weird!
The policy isn't weird at all. They are not trying to keep your money. You can't have money on the tables that you requested to be cashed out. I really don't see how your requesting a cash out then still playing with the money you want sent to you. I think most people sent aside their winnings and continue playing with what's left.
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01-25-2012 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo
Someone asked me a question and I answered it.

Is that okay with you?


Their policy is weird because u only get 1 cheque per month or u have to pay $50. Cheques max of 3k? fing weird!
You have to say Simon says.

Morphy
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01-25-2012 , 03:59 PM
I'm wondering if the bias toward bad beats isn't primarily due to poor players going to the river no matter how hard you bet. Cannot tell you the number of times I held AK and lost to A3 with a three on the river. What kind of moron calls a push with A3? Just hoping it evens out. Perhaps in a parallel poker universe.

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My check cleared without problem!
Now:
previous poster mentioned "house bots"

I never considered this, but what better way to make sure you bring in more money? In doing so, what precautions would they need to make first?
ANONYMOUS PLAYERS so no one can prove it.

Im usually the first to bash people for calling a site rigged, but the monster over monster is getting hard to ignore. Second nuts just doesn't get beat this much in poker. I hope its just a coincidence for the 100's who have noticed it but......
(commence conspiracy theories)
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01-25-2012 , 05:47 PM
I crush on this site like no place I have ever played. With that said the times I see kings run into aces or flopped set getting Rivered by a higher set is getting pretty hard to ignore. Once regulation happens I will stop playing on this bovada even though it's free money every month, just because something is not right with this site.
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01-25-2012 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall
I crush on this site like no place I have ever played. With that said the times I see kings run into aces or flopped set getting Rivered by a higher set is getting pretty hard to ignore. Once regulation happens I will stop playing on this bovada even though it's free money every month, just because something is not right with this site.
The same thing happens on PS, it's poker things like that will happen.
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01-25-2012 , 06:04 PM
ty bovada for choosing to rig ur games in my favour. perhaps u saw how handsome i was from a distance?!?!?
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01-25-2012 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by djg1979
The same thing happens on PS, it's poker things like that will happen.
That's you turning your shoulder and going "oh well".

The same thing does happen at PS and Merge, you're right...... except at a much much smaller frequency. I get similar coolers almost every session. The key word is SIMILAR coupled with the frequency that these coolers are happening.
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01-25-2012 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SimonStylesTheActo

Their policy is weird because u only get 1 cheque per month or u have to pay $50. Cheques max of 3k? fing weird!
It is actually a quite generous policy. Some sites have it capped way below 3K and some charge a fee for every payout no matter what.

the fact that Bodog only raised it from $35 to $50 over the last year or so when the cost of giving this money to players has grown over 300% I think it is pretty good.

My guess is even with the $50 fee they are LOSSING money on the transaction for Americans. I have heard estimates that payment processors want 20-30% to do the transaction for Americans. If they passed all of this cost onto the customer the fee would be more around $60-90 for a 3K check.
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01-25-2012 , 07:29 PM
aww muffin. cheque processing fees? I have to pay 'i go broke and redeposit fees'.
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01-25-2012 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RipitSick
That's you turning your shoulder and going "oh well".

The same thing does happen at PS and Merge, you're right...... except at a much much smaller frequency. I get similar coolers almost every session. The key word is SIMILAR coupled with the frequency that these coolers are happening.
I've played over 15,000 SNGs on PS before BF and about 3000 so far on Bodog/Bovada. Bad beats and suckouts are happening around the same clip from what I see. Just keep getting your money in good and profit will come.
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01-26-2012 , 01:33 AM
it really can't be a coincidence at this point that right after the update it just so happens that tons of us start posting about seeing weird **** happening at high frequencies and getting coolered like no other....
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01-26-2012 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NotEnoughEquity
it really can't be a coincidence at this point that right after the update it just so happens that tons of us start posting about seeing weird **** happening at high frequencies and getting coolered like no other....
Or maybe the mods are slipping and letting the rigtards out of the containment thread.
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01-26-2012 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NotEnoughEquity
it really can't be a coincidence at this point that right after the update it just so happens that tons of us start posting about seeing weird **** happening at high frequencies and getting coolered like no other....
Tons of people running bad in poker? No way!! Tons of people are running good since the update too. They are just not complaining about or questioning Bovada on poker forums.

Current winning players are not commiserating together in a thread about their simultaneous downswings. And that's all they are....Downswings. Variance.


The winning players are not really active in the rigged conspiracy threads.
Only the losing players are. Not saying you are one.

What if every players relatively small personal statistics were exactly the same from site to site and skin to skin from update to update? Wouldn't that be a tad bit eerie and weird too?

As a thinking poker player you HAVE to understand it can be just a coincidence.
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01-26-2012 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NotEnoughEquity
it really can't be a coincidence at this point that right after the update it just so happens that tons of us start posting about seeing weird **** happening at high frequencies and getting coolered like no other....
If you're convinced it's rigged then play on another site - if not shut the **** up IMO
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