No, you get another ticket.

I had a few bucks on there left over from Bodog, so I played some SNGs the other day and had the same experience. I figured it was due to lag.

Suckout City, too, but the sample size was obviously very small.

3 Days.

For it to be rigged it has to favor some players over others.... it doesn't

There are more frequent bad beats that happen.... and they are similar. That doesn't mean it's rigged, but it is the trend that I've noticed and so have others. They want a couple of bigger pots for action etc.... I don't mind as long their Bodonks stick around. Bodonks love these coolers.

It sounds like you suck if you can't make the adjustment to play on here. This is the most legit site in terms of payouts. Good luck picking your nose on some nut peddling dikbag site like lock lmao..... These guys take 2 months to even send you a check which may or may not bounce..... No thanks.

If the ahuffle or deal is being changed to come out in any way that isn't completely random, then that is what most people here would call rigged.

I love how people pretend like the only thing you can do in life is play poker so you need to conform to whatever is happening at the sites.

There is also an opportunity cost with that decision (mainly what your doing with your life)

Just because you've been a professional for a few years and plan on being a professional post regulation doesn't mean you should settle for ****ty situations just because your posting a profit. Your prob smart enough to get a good job too.

Poker is my 2nd source of income and not my career. It's nice to have a solid 3rd pay check every month. The smart decision is to go where your money is more secure.... That would be Bovada.

Despite the ****ty playing situation it is still better than anything else out there at the moment.

You act like getting a job making 100k+ is a walk in the park and enjoyable.....for most 100k/yr is currently unattainable, and those who do make that work 50+ hours a week, and do things daily that they hate.....****ty situations come up in every line of work, and for US regs this is another bump in the road.....

No such luck in either of the two it seems.

So, Bovada has the largest number of fish and the fastest cashouts by a mile. For cons, you have the anon issues and *supposedly* rigged card dealing complaints, thus far unsubstantiated by any real results/graphs showing an increased variance recently vs before the brand split over any reasonable amount of hands.

Seems to me it could very well likely be that the suck-outs seem to happen so much more because:

A) you have a large number of sports-betting gamblers who don't really understand the game of poker and therefore play speculative hands much further and more aggressively than the nits that we US players are used to playing against since BF.

and

B) with anon tables, people who do know how to play poker play their long-shot "I have a feelign" draws more because the shame factor of sucking out isn't there anymore.

Or am I missing something?

these sneaky bastards keep waiting until i am playing to review my cash out and then decline it saying 'my money is on the table' so i can't cash it out at the moment. they are just hoping i will donk off my roll at blackjack, which i probably will, so slick move on ur part bodog cash out team, my hat is off to u

I didn't say it was easy or enjoyable. I guess its a cost-benefit analysis you need to do for yourself.

For me, I am gladly making 50% less right now then I was just a few months ago playing online everyday. But I get to actually go out on weekends now, watch whatever football game I want instead of knowing Sunday is hard-core-poker day, and I know for a FACT that I will be getting paid at the end of the week for the work I put in.

I guess we have different definitions of enjoyable. I was NOT finding grinding for 6 hours with an anonymous screen name, worrying about collusion, and worrying about IF/WHEN I would ever see the money enjoyable at all.

Plus you are making a pretty big assumption that the climate at Bodog will not change. I remember in 2008 when I had to wait 9 months for a check, so this 2-4 week thing is not a guarantee by any means.

Well no, that's obviously not the case at all. It could theoretically be rigged just to pull in more rake, for example, generating big hands and coolers.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying Blow-vada or any other site is rigged. Just saying that I don't think helping particular players win would be the only conceivable motivation, as you suggested.

And really, Blow-vada brings it upon themselves by creating an atmosphere of questionable security, where people will instinctively question these things. So while I think "rigging" is unlikely, I have no sympathy for them if people start fleeing the site because they fear that.

today's philosophy nugget: when you bitch about people bitching, who's the bigger bitcher?

back to the point.

Cashed out 1/2,
Received 1/24 (they had a delay from all the NFL cashouts)
Im still very pleased because this check can be cashed. It looks just like my old Pstars checks from the same "territory" up north!

Thanks Bovada!! (now give us our names back please)

also: anyone notice the political props in the sportsbook?? juicy odds right now for the next president.

FWIW, I received one of those international checks. It went to collection but I got my money with a $120 fee. Bovada isn't reimbursing me, claiming it was my banks fees even though that isn't the case.

Pretty comical.

You're correct. I mentioned that in my previous post.

I was getting bad beats before the update.... no big deal I'm use to them. The cards come out the same exact way when I play live.

But seriously how many times can I get destroyed by pocket 33 rivering the boat on my premium hands/top trips through the course of a week. There are more common bad beats that I see occurring a lot that makes me question the randomness?

Obviously I don't have much ground to stand on since we can't use Pokertracker or HEM for a precise review of all hands..... this would clear things up in a hurry. I don't think Hold Em indicator is powerful enough to collect, review, and create analytical reports like true tracking software packages like PT3 and HEM. Makes all the sense in the world from Bodog's stand point as to why they would want to ban tracking software and minimize the use of tracking sites like PTR.

It sounds like you have some gambling issues to work through.

Don't put money that you requested to be cashed out on the table. It's very simple to do.

Can't you ask them to disable blackjack on your account?

I'll click on a SNG to register and it won't show me any players being registered while it will if im just looking at the SNG lobby.

When I click to register the box to let you buyin doesn't popup. I have to keep restarting my bovada client to make it stop. It goes right back to doing it every 15 minutes though. Pretty unreal bovada.

Losing more and more money because your software is a huge piece of **** that some 15 year olds could make in a 45 min computer class in high school.

Haven't experienced that before. Try an uninstall/reinstall.

How the hell is 2/3 juicy? It ain't enough!!

Seems to me there should be a separate bovada rig thread. I do not think this is an unreasonable request. An exploit in the software may not be a rig though, so maybe call it "something funny at bovada?" thread as this could include house bots and software exploits alike. Clearly one of the two is going on IMO. I never got the idea there was an actual "rig" like the ones dwelled upon in the thread I was directed to when I first brought this up.

How about more late night MTT for those of us with cracky schedules? The midnight 1k GTD always seems to fill, but if traffic is an issue, why not skip on the guarantees?

I too have been noticing "strange" sequences at Bovada. I think the biggest fuel for the fire of conspiracy, is that the site owner and poker manager have practically come right out and said they don't want winning poker players "ruining the ecosystem". So if they designed new software to keep the money with the fish longer (so they can blow it at the casino/sportsbook,) what's to say they haven't programmed in a tilted RNG? And this software is so lousy, perhaps the RNG is second rate if it is legit, which also could create an abundance of weirdness.

I'm a heads-up sit and go player myself, and my biggest beef is that the card dealing slows down to the point where very few hands per level gets dealt, which in turn means more games get to the 75/150 + levels of auto shoving and races (obviously giving more of a chance to the poorer player). Not to mention, the games being slow get boring and annoying. I have complained about this from day 1 and nobody at Bovada cares or has any desire to fix the problem.

As far as statistical evidence goes, I can look at my own raw data. At PokerStars, playing 20,30,50,and 100 two player games, i was a little over 59% win rate after 9,000 + games (don't feel like looking for the exact figures right now.)

My record at Bodog before the software change was 1298-926 for a win pct. of 58.36%

My record after the software change is 207-171 for a terrible win pct. of 54.76%. And believe me, the majority of these games are against the worst players on Earth.

Now only 378 games is not enough to establish a 3.5% drop in win rate, but if I can stand playing another 1,000 games at this hellhole, I'm curious to see if the rates are consistent.

I must admit, I love to play the game, but after Black Friday, it was a major drop, but at least the old Bodog software games were still enjoyable, playable, and profitable. But now, it's so bad that I might just have to stop playing all together, or move to Canada. Not because I can't fill that time with other things that make money, but it really pisses me off that as a free adult, I cannot play a simple game of cards online at the place of my choosing, strictly because law enforcement abuses their power to protect special interests.

actually bodog blackjack is legit rigged in favour of the player. good work Bovada!