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01-12-2012 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Coast
Just for fun I thought I'd summarize all of the "improvements" from the latest bovada release.

1) anonymous play - allows potential for collusion, bots, etc. Did not eliminate hud ability completely. Got rid of things like avatars and location display which fish loved to discuss.
2) eliminated ability to see mucked cards even tho u can ask to see them at casino.
3) reduced sound options to all or nothing
4) if u have sound on then the alert goes off when the hand starts being dealt rather than when it is your action. Causes tons of players to timeout.
5) removed the 3/4 pot option.
6) removed the already crappy rakeback option of converting pts to cash and offer pts to tourney toys instead. Awesome benefit for cash players like myself.
7) whenever you are in the middle of typing something clever in the chat box and another table pops up it clears what you have typed.
8) the hero is not in the same spot on each table and the highlight of your seat is so faint you time out trying to find out your position before u can act.
9) table windows are even more laggy
10) lobby is even more laggy when clicking on what u thought was a table w open seats
11) balance takes forever to update when u close your tables. Sometimes u have to relaunch.
12) there's no longer a warning sound right before u are about to timeout.
13) the lobby doesn't save what games and stakes you left unchecked the next time u log in.

Merry Christmas to us courtesy of Bodogada.
#2, #9, #10, #11 seem to be fixed
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01-12-2012 , 10:18 PM
You can see mucked hole cards now? Wow if so it can be called poker again on there...sort of
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01-12-2012 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hoopaloopa
You can see mucked hole cards now? Wow if so it can be called poker again on there...sort of
Why? You don't get to see mucked whole cards in live games.
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01-12-2012 , 11:11 PM
It's kind of lame they changed the blinds from 15 to 12 mins for the nightly 10K.
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01-13-2012 , 02:38 AM
Awww....Green Bastard there are many instances in live poker you may see mucked hole cards. You can always ask too. On Bovada can you remind me the % of times you see mucked hole cards?

For example on Bovada, you check call villain three (3) barrels and get shipped the pot because said villain had a complete air ball on the river. I feel it isn't very fair to have 0% chance to see what Mr. Barrelz had..

Last edited by hoopaloopa; 01-13-2012 at 02:43 AM.
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01-13-2012 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hoopaloopa
Awww....Green Bastard there are many instances in live poker you may see mucked hole cards. You can always ask too. On Bovada can you remind me the % of times you see mucked hole cards?

For example on Bovada, you check call villain three (3) barrels and get shipped the pot because said villain had a complete air ball on the river. I feel it isn't very fair to have 0% chance to see what Mr. Barrelz had..
If the cards go to showdown, you can see what was mucked now. It was updated a few weeks ago.
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01-13-2012 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
It is probably people either multitabling.. or people playing on the interwebz..watching a movie.. playing a video game.. or one of a million other things... and their table isn't popping up to the front.
I think some of it is from bad players doing it with short stacks intentionally ... thinking it helps them because they see the blinds less so they think it helping them survive. Even though we know strategically this isn't a good idea for a short stack.

If you watch sometimes when those really slow players do double up they all of a sudden insta fold the next few hands.
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01-13-2012 , 02:32 PM
if you want to manually update the cash lobby instantly you can click 'sit n go tourneys' and then click back to cash games, instead of waiting a minute every time. i haven't tried it out vice versa though.
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01-13-2012 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Bastard
Why? You don't get to see mucked whole cards in live games.
You can if you request it, especially when players are all in to protect against collusion. I have seen it done at the casinos many times and sometimes it is warranted. It is considered poor etiquette most of the time, however.
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01-13-2012 , 04:51 PM
For those wondering why people take so long to act:

They dont have the beeps to let you know its your play. If you multitable or even watch TV you miss it. I sometimes look up for a minute, look back and Im "sitting out".
We have to learn to pay attention I guess.

btw.. took a cash out almost 2 weeks ago, I wish they would give you the tracking # or even which courier they use. If it bounces I will let you all know.
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01-13-2012 , 04:54 PM
I forgot to ask:

Will bovada ever give our names back? or is it anonymous from here on out?

I miss taking DreamTeam's lunch money (aka drug money)
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01-13-2012 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemaco
I think some of it is from bad players doing it with short stacks intentionally ... thinking it helps them because they see the blinds less so they think it helping them survive. Even though we know strategically this isn't a good idea for a short stack.

If you watch sometimes when those really slow players do double up they all of a sudden insta fold the next few hands.
Oh no doubt some of it is bad players... I was just pointing out other reasobs for it. I know that when I'm playing 1 or 2other sites at the same time, I time down/out a lot more often.
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01-14-2012 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by king333
For those wondering why people take so long to act:

They dont have the beeps to let you know its your play. If you multitable or even watch TV you miss it. I sometimes look up for a minute, look back and Im "sitting out".
We have to learn to pay attention I guess.

btw.. took a cash out almost 2 weeks ago, I wish they would give you the tracking # or even which courier they use. If it bounces I will let you all know.
This x 1million
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01-14-2012 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltBlue
Just noticed that that page is titled 'Untitled Document'...someone over there needs to work on their html proofreading. =)

Also, anyone want to crunch the numbers on the EV of next week's Blackjack bonus?

If you were to play blackjack basic strategy to the letter and the normal rate of blackjacks you would probably need to play about 210 hands. That is assuming you get a blackjack every 21 hands. I am not sure the house edge but I believe playing basic strategy perfect should put the house edge at 6 decks with H17 DAS and No late surrender is -.64%. If it is 8 decks it is about -.66%.

If you hit ten blackjacks right at 210 hands you are expected to lose

210 * 5 = 1050 * .64% = 6.72

Your expected to lose $6.72.

You get a $25 casino chip - $6.72 = $18.28

Your expected value at $5 bets would be + $18.28 in optimal conditions.

If you bet $10 your ev would drop to + $11.56 with the $25 casino chip

If you bet $20 your ev would be -$1.88

Correct me if anything is wrong. If you play worst and deviate basic strategy example : stay on 16 or less vs 7,8 , 9, T, A your edge drops and it can go quickly into -ev. Just know your going to be betting close to $1050 to hit the ten blackjacks.
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01-14-2012 , 04:56 AM
I asked a question about Bodog/Bovada in this thread, and got an ironic/insulting response from a poster who apparently does not play on these sites anymore, but still has hours of time each day to devote to the relevant forums.

We are all very tired of seeing his posts, which he continues to sign even after numerous complaints and entreaties that he stop. Therefore I suggest that each of us sign our posts in the same manner, until he agrees to stop the obnoxious practice.

I will begin the protest.

Morphy
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01-14-2012 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
If you were to play blackjack basic strategy to the letter and the normal rate of blackjacks you would probably need to play about 210 hands. That is assuming you get a blackjack every 21 hands. I am not sure the house edge but I believe playing basic strategy perfect should put the house edge at 6 decks with H17 DAS and No late surrender is -.64%. If it is 8 decks it is about -.66%.

If you hit ten blackjacks right at 210 hands you are expected to lose

210 * 5 = 1050 * .64% = 6.72

Your expected to lose $6.72.

You get a $25 casino chip - $6.72 = $18.28

Your expected value at $5 bets would be + $18.28 in optimal conditions.

If you bet $10 your ev would drop to + $11.56 with the $25 casino chip

If you bet $20 your ev would be -$1.88

Correct me if anything is wrong. If you play worst and deviate basic strategy example : stay on 16 or less vs 7,8 , 9, T, A your edge drops and it can go quickly into -ev. Just know your going to be betting close to $1050 to hit the ten blackjacks.
Yeah, after I asked, I actually did look up the BJ frequency to be about 1/21 hands. That got me to the $1050 in bets figure...though I know in statistics there's likely a probability curve that's relevant (for example, we're 80% certain to be there if we bet between $850-$1250 or something). And yeah, so it sort of does appear that the bonus is +EV. I guess I also wondered if you then had to "clear" the $25 casino chip that you earn (I read it as a bonus)...because that would further decrease the value.
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01-14-2012 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltBlue
Yeah, after I asked, I actually did look up the BJ frequency to be about 1/21 hands. That got me to the $1050 in bets figure...though I know in statistics there's likely a probability curve that's relevant (for example, we're 80% certain to be there if we bet between $850-$1250 or something). And yeah, so it sort of does appear that the bonus is +EV. I guess I also wondered if you then had to "clear" the $25 casino chip that you earn (I read it as a bonus)...because that would further decrease the value.
The $25 casino chip does not have to be cleared. I have won $55 in casino chips before from playing blackjack in December and it comes into your account as casino chips. You can go to the bovada website and log into your account. Then click my account and you will see main account and casino account. Under casino account you will see an option to cash out chips. You click that and the cash goes right into your main account.
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01-14-2012 , 11:33 AM
I noticed that the message you are given after trying to open more than 4 tables is that you cannot have more than 4 cash games/Sit & Go's open at the same time.

What about tournaments? Can you have more than 4 tournament tables open if you register for more tournaments?
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01-14-2012 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dmisfh1
I noticed that the message you are given after trying to open more than 4 tables is that you cannot have more than 4 cash games/Sit & Go's open at the same time.

What about tournaments? Can you have more than 4 tournament tables open if you register for more tournaments?
4 is the max and you can not register for more than 4 tournaments. If you have 2 cash game tables you can only register for 2 tournaments.
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01-14-2012 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
4 is the max and you can not register for more than 4 tournaments. If you have 2 cash game tables you can only register for 2 tournaments.
Ok, thanks.
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01-14-2012 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
4 is the max and you can not register for more than 4 tournaments. If you have 2 cash game tables you can only register for 2 tournaments.
i thought you could have up to 16 tourneys now?
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01-14-2012 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mjcace
i thought you could have up to 16 tourneys now?
Maybe it is different for multi table tournaments. I tried to play more than 4 sngs and it did not work.

Last edited by jmurjeff; 01-14-2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Please confirm if you can play more than 4
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01-14-2012 , 01:10 PM
You can play up to 20 MTTs a time. Still only up to 4 for cash and SNGs.


http://poker.bovada.lv/features

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01-14-2012 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kalebra
I asked a question about Bodog/Bovada in this thread, and got an ironic/insulting response from a poster who apparently does not play on these sites anymore, but still has hours of time each day to devote to the relevant forums.

We are all very tired of seeing his posts, which he continues to sign even after numerous complaints and entreaties that he stop. Therefore I suggest that each of us sign our posts in the same manner, until he agrees to stop the obnoxious practice.

I will begin the protest.

Morphy
It fascinates me that merely signing my name to a post can tilt people so easily. I can't imagine how people can be winning poker players if something this simple tilts them.

Just for you, I won't sign this post like I usually do.

Spoiler:
Morphy
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01-14-2012 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by djg1979
You can play up to 20 MTTs a time. Still only up to 4 for cash and SNGs.


http://poker.bovada.lv/features
Not exactly. You can have a total of 20 tables open, and no more than 4 of them can be cash/SNGs.

You can't have, say, 20 MTTs and 2 cash.

But, this struck me as kind of silly because... does Blow Dogs even have 20 MTTs running at once?
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