+10000 for the BTC reload bonus last month, I should've done more.

Anybody else having sign in trouble right now?

I'm not agreeing that what they did is right. It seems shady as ****. But I can kinda see why what you did is a problem.

Assume you deposit $100 and immediately get a $100 bonus. Then you register for $100 worth of tournaments and start playing slots with your remaining $100. If you lose your $100 in slots before meeting the play through requirement, you are basically getting the $100 in tournaments for free.

However, if you already had money in your account before depositing, then I don't think doing what you did should matter at all.

Client is extremely sluggish right now.

I still had to meet the playthru requirements when I won. 100%slots match bonus, I thought that when I deposited for poker, I got a matching bonus of $100 for slots - that had to go thru a playthru of course - but that was it. I never thought I was doing anything wrong. Maybe their insanely juvenile software that was made for and by idiots would have prevented that from happening if it was violating some rule. Of course, that did not happen.

After 10 years of playing, I can not believe the way they treated me on the phone. They are all a bunch of worthless thugs completely unregulated. You guys are crazy to think it can't happen to you - any dispute or disagreement, it is just no money for you.

Those random jackpots are a bit of joke over a certain amount, they find ways to not pay them. As I said, I have had at least 8-10 withdrawals this year, all while doing the exact same thing - getting the slots bonus and registering for tournaments to save the initial deposit. Never. Was. A. Problem. It was only when a nice hit came through that they step in and find a way not to pay it. I never saw it coming, never knew I was doing anything that they would think was wrong!!! So, it could happen to you - you may have something in your records that they will bring up to try and get out of paying, that you are not even aware of!!

If I had cheated, or if my system had been put together with the intent to defraud them, then ya, bad on me got caught, no money. But that is not what's happened here. I did everything that I thought I was well within the rules and totally 100% acceptable to do! I thought, well why wouldn't I deposit and get a slots bonus too when I deposit for poker? FKN crazy. Never thought I would wake up today and they would be shutting down my account and not paying me $11,000. Nightmare.

Dude!! I got the exact same thing!!!!!!!!!!!

They just closed my account and are not paying me $11,000 because of that exact same reason with the bonus. They told me it was against terms of service, I asked where and he read the most generic thing I have ever heard! Nowhere does it say that you can not use the slots bonus in the slots and the original deposit at the tables. CAN NOT EVEN BELIEVE IT!!!!

They literally are stiffing me eleven THOUSAND fkn dollars. I am going to file a dispute with their gaming comission over it.

So glad I came to this thread and saw you had the same thing happen dude. They were so rude to me on the phone, acting like wanna be cops catching me at something. I was like, what are you talking about??!? If i am not allowed to do this why did the software allow it!?!? It was an honest misunderstanding as I thought I was well within the rules!! They told me I had "Taken advantage of the bonus". I said ya, like I was suppose to, but not in some criminally nefarious way your implying. They were such jerks.

I have been with Bovada for 10 years and I agree, they have changed. They are a thug operation and this loophole was created with the sole purpose of not paying people.

What's your story? Look at my posts. `10 years with them here, not a basher, but can not believe what they are doing to me.

I'm heading to North Carolina to visit family. Is it ok to log on and play if I want. Any states other then NY where I shouldn't log in?

I don't have the bitcoin deposit/withdraw option in bodog. Do most accounts have it?

you're 100% fine in NC

Yea, I hear you. I believe you that you didn't think you were doing anything wrong. And I don't think what they are doing is right bc they should have made it known that this was against the rules. I can just see why they would think what you were doing is a loophole (but if it is, then they need to state that in their terms and conditions or prevent it from happening) bc with what you are doing they are giving you $100 risk free dollars. You are using your entire deposit on poker and only playing slots with their bonus. You will either immediately lose your bonus only or hit it big and win on slots. There are no other options.

I guess, if you lost your bonuse and won some money in your poker tournaments you would still have to meet the play through requirement on the slots though.

yes, my first BTC withdrawal is currently processing

Exactly this. It's such a cop out for the site not to pay you. It does not say you can't do this... Everyone does this.

You're depositing $100 and you click a random bonus.
Now you take that $100 and sit 100Nl.

I use the bonus money on whatever I selected... Because it's just that. A bonus ...

Rollover is extremely difficult to get done, but if it happens the site shouldn't be able to say ... "Oh sorry, you got lucky with your bonus money we gave you. We aren't cashing you out!"

That's BS.

I've had times where I deposited $200 to get a match for table games. Blew the bonus and then blew the $ on blackjack. They sure didn't mind then.

Thank you! So glad to know there are other people "EXPLOITING" and "TAKNIG ADVANTAGE" of Bovada's bonus system. I told them on the phone that at least a 1,000 other guys must be doing this because it makes no sense not to! It is set up so that you would be an idiot not to "park" your original deposit and use the match bonus as inteneded, on slots or tables. That is how I thought it fkn worked!

Not only are they not cashing me out, my friend, they are deactivating my account! After ten years and who knows how many thousands of dollars played and raked.

I have hired an attorney and she has sent a letter to them reqeusting we settle this or go to the gaming commission. The thing is, the thing that makes me the absolute most upset, is that they know about this loophole. They read these forums. They see what people are doing in their accounts. Not a problem, until you win big. Like you said, they do not have an issue when you lose it. They are well aware of how it is set-up and it is set-up so that if you do what MOST of us who use the bonus do, you will NOT get paid and will get banned from the site.

I am actively looking for a more reputable poker client. After 10 years. Never thought I would leave Bovada, but when you gamble within the rules and the house does not pay $11,000, yah, time to move on.

Just to be clear you won the $11,000 or so in a poker tournament, correct?

I think this belongs in the other bovada thread or a new thread of its own. It's not really a withdrawal issue.

You'll get more views and someone may have a suggestion for you.

I thought I had read somewhere that there was an advocacy group for things like this.

I thought he was saying he won it from slots?

See this is where it's a pure scam. I'm willing to be 95% of people do what he does for smaller deposits.

If you deposit $100 and immediately sit 100NL, what are you suppose to not use that $100 bonus and play at the same time? Where in the rules does it say you must not use your money on poker and combine it all on the roulette table. It doesn't.

That's why they have rollover requirements. Because otherwise people would deposit $100... Get $100.. Spin 1 hand on a slot for $1 and pocket $99

Unless there is something you aren't telling us, I just don't see why they would do that to you. Esp closing the account ..


** just found this on the site **
6.9. Abuse of Bonus Programs. Bonus programs are intended for recreational bettors only. Professional players or players considered, in our sole discretion, to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions. Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) clients cashing out for the purpose of re-depositing, or referring new accounts that they are using themselves. Sanctions may be in the form of increased rollover requirements or loss of bonus privileges altogether for the offending Account as well as any linked Accounts. We reserve the right to restrict eligibility for special offers and bonuses when necessary. This includes (but is not limited to) placing geographic restrictions on match bonuses due to bonus abuse.



So I don't know what they determine as abusing?

Have you made multiple deposits and won multiple times with the bonus and then cashed out multiple times?

Other than that... One time and running it up is 110% legal

It is simple, I did what you do. I deposited around $50. Took the $50 in cash and registered for a couple of tournaments to park it - and one or two to play actively. Then, I opened up a slot and started spinning reels with the $50 slot bonus. I won a random jackpot on the slots for $13,400. I played through the $3,500 or so in playthru, soley on the slots I completed the playthru, and then cashed out around $11k.

They said no. The fact that i did what you did, and what many others do, and take that "Cash" part of the deposit and registered in tournaments, was a violation of their terms of service. They are claiming that by me being such a genius and finding this "loophole" in the bonus system, I violated terms of service and that is why they are not paying me and closing my account.

In regards to the poster who said this should go in another forum,well up until yesterday I was all over this forum discussing my withdrawal. So this is a fkn update! It does belong here too, but I would be happy for a link to another spot that is more dedicated to things of this nature as well.

As far as I am concerned, this is still just a withdrawal problem, I intend to cause as much noise as possible online, with my lawyer, with the gaming commission, etc, until they pay me.

If i had lost the money, like i did about 100 x before, all is quiet. No problems. Not until I had lightening strike and hit a random jackpot did they say this was a problem. It is WRONG.

After you registered to those tournaments, did you play them? Or did you just register as a way to park the funds?

They determine it abusing that I would make a deposit just to get the bonus. AND that I used the cash from said bonus to register in tournaments, some I played and some I did not and unregistered from.

And someone tell me how it is abuse if you have $500 in your account, withdrawal $500 and deposit another $100 back in - and when you do so, you get the slots match bonus? Why do they send it every week if they do not want you to use it? Is it only for people who bust? They should say that. They shouldn't hide it in their "terms of service".

They simply do not want to pay. I did nothing wrong, and if I did it was because their system was designed to have me operate that way. Send a weekly bonus, but don't use it weekly, and if you do we won't tell you that you are not suppose to use the cash available to you in poker - only in slots.

They are a rip off, and they have become like so many of the other online casinos - a criminal enterprise designed to not play payers and to use whatever loopholes that they created to prevent payment.

How many times have you complained about the software to be told that the problem is on your end? Obviously it is not, everyone universally agrees their software sucks and it has cost us regular players money in folded hands and time-outs. But, I rolled with the punches because I liked Bovada and their service. In the last year or so, software downgrade included, they have changed their tone and business practices. They are basically the only game in town for US players and they know it. They do not have to honor any of the bets - you can hope to get paid - but when they decide they do not want to pay you, bend over.

Criminals. The way they treated me for something that is their fault and their juvenile softwares fault for allowing something that is against the rules. If I had known it was against any rule, I would not have done it! DUH! They want people to make the mistakes with the bonuses so they can prevent payment. That much was made clear on the phone and in reading other people's stories about talking to them about this issue. This issue that I "Found" and they actually scolded me for not bringing it to their attention. Ha! Why would I bring to their attention something that I thought they had set-up for us to use!?! It made sense, i did not get some wild unfair advantage.

They are showing their true colors in how they handle this. I have a feeling more people are going to start having a problem getting paid from Bovada.

So you would purposely register as a way to freeroll the bonuses... then they were in their rights to ban you...how many times did you do it? if it was only once then I would chalk it up as being a coincidence, if you did it multiple times, you were abusing the bonus.

Right. Enjoy your job working for them tool?

I did not do anything to abuse a bonus. As you will read in previous posts, other people do the EXACT same thing with the bonus because that is how it is designed to be used.

It is not a fukn freeroll when I have to deposit real money to get it. Also, that real money was always used for Tournaments. Always. Always. Always. The money was being gambled, but not in slots. Get it now ??

If you do not know what you are talking about, or if you are just a Bovada bot, butt out.

That anyone would try to side with Bovada on this shows they are trolling the forums.

They stole $11k from me. Plain and simple.

tjbwaves, you might have your panties in a bunch.

On top of the $11k that Bovada is holding from you, you're also going to be out the fee your lawyer is charging you. Realistically, this is what's going to happen. Accept it, cut your losses, move on.

Casinos do what to Blackjack card counters? It's not against the rules to be one, it's perfectly legal to be one, and the casinos will totally hate you for being one.

Remember, these people are RUNNING A BUSINESS, not a charity. If I ran some sort of contest, and along came a clever little runt who found a way to exploit whatever it is that I set up, you damn well know I will fight back with "terms and use agreement" bull.

From your perspective, Bovada is the rotting donkey. From Bovada's perspective, you are the rotting donkey.

From my perspective, you're a degenerate gambler. Peace.

From my perspective, sitting in my beautiful house on the ocean with an attorney that is more than willing to go after them for the pure joy of going after someone who has wronged me, you are like literally nothing to me.

I may be a gambler, but bro, degenerate is something you talk to yourself about. This $11k is annoying, as it was stolen, but I will continue to lead my rocking life where everyday is pretty much more fkn awesome than the next.

Thanks for your idiotic contribution to the conversation. It is always good to see a little tiny brain try to contribute something to a conversation that is obviously above their level of understanding.

Try going back to school. You are pretty much a pure idiot. IMO. Peace.