I'm not having any connection issues but I just played a couple of hours of 25NL and the games are the hardest to extract value from that I've ever seen. Average pots are around $2 at 25NL. Completely bot and reg infested like WPN was a year or so ago.

I find it funny how you conclude that it is completely bot and reg infested after playing one session.

games seem good to me. the last two months ive had my best results ever by far. I don't think the site is the problem.

I'm by no means a whistleblower around here and I don't believe sites are rigged. I've even downplayed botting to some extent in the past out of ignorance. We only ever have one session of data on anyone when it comes to Ignition, right? "I don't think the site is the problem" - What problem? We're talking about botting. I'm winning. I find it funny how you conclude from one post that I'm a losing player. This has nothing to do with me and there's no way you can deny that botting is a prevalent issue in today's online game.

I play here daily and will continue to. This is the second Saturday night in a row though that I notice the same trend at the same time. I also don't think the site is complicit in this at all, I just don't think they're doing anything about it and a lot of the botting that was going on over at other networks may be shuffling over here because it's easier to get away with now. That's all I'm saying is that this may be a new trend we need to keep an eye out for. Believe me, I totally understand that there are more regs and better players on at certain times. That's definitely what part of it is here on a Holiday weekend. That I'm more than fine with as I like playing against tough competition and improving. I'm talking about accounts behaving exactly the way others have described them to on these forums when they're bots. It stands out after a certain number of hands with them.

that you cant 'extract value'
the games are soft as **** 24/7 at higher stakes than nl25.

Ok, so obviously you don't believe in botting and you've made that pretty clear. You know where I stand on it and I don't think I'm being unreasonable. Enjoy your profits but I can assure you that there are softer 25NL games on other networks. Of course Ignition is soft. That doesn't negate anything I've said.

sure there probably are some bots on the site that's every where and I don't think its anywhere near killing the games.

I just thought your first post was over the top. comparing it to the games on WPN is ridiculous.

Fair enough and perhaps I did go a bit over the top after a long, unprofitable session. It's been a long two months for me with the game but also a blast, I've made money, and I've learned a ton. I was just trying to prove a point that it does seem as if the games are specifically harder from 10pm-6am on Saturday night than they used to be and there are most definitely botting and collusion issues but no - this isn't anything unique to Ignition right now. Still, I am finding BetOnline to be much softer than this here in late Spring and I can't specifically think of any account that I thought was a bot there. Two Saturday nights in a row here on Ignition I've just noticed a deviation from normalcy.

I apologize if I came across as or was argumentative. That wasn't my intention. Just to underline, too: I don't think the bots are specifically hard to play against or "super accounts", etc. I just know they're much harder to extract value from than people who are fish and when the bots are taking up seats, it isn't good for us as players.

As far as "killing the games": I am by no means part of that tinfoil hat crowd and have been very outspoken about this in my own YouTube channel as well as this poker forum and others. No, I think the games are profitable, live, and fun...just much more advanced and evolved than they used to be. Still, I don't want bots all over the place.

A couple questions from a recreational player:

#1. Is there a way to make the screen pop up when it's your turn??

#2. Is there no more communicating in the chat box?

go to settings > game play settings & uncheck "Disable pop to front"


correct, no more chatting apart from the preset messages you can pick from

scott is correct, hugestacks you're sounding unhinged and OOL

Yeah, I already had it set as such. I'm not sure why it doesn't pop up for me. Annoying.

Thanks for the response.

No. I most certainly didn't sound unhinged or OOL. Not really understanding the purpose of your post, either. Nobody can deny that botting is an issue in today's games. Have a nice day.

edit: I see I'm not the first person you've called "unhinged" today. Maybe it's time to find a new label for people you disagree with although again: There's nothing to disagree with. It's a fact that botting is an issue in 2018.

https://imgur.com/a/qDdSDGO

Look at the bottom left of table 1. You don't think someone sitting there and playing 3.8/1.6/0 over 56 hands is a little strange? It's not the only account like that at that time at those stakes. Further, as I stated before: These accounts weren't even profitable, but they didn't really lose anything either. Them taking a seat that a fish could be taking up is by no means good for us as players.

Again: There were multiple accounts like this playing for about 6 hours straight last night @ 25NL. This specific bot I'm highlighting in the photo wasn't profitable but of course, I did see some of these similar accounts stack guys who were GII lightly.

No bot would be programmed to play anywhere near 4% vpip. That being said, seeing such stats isn't that unusual. It's easy to be completely card dead over such a small sample.

You admit you've only been playing for a "long two months" and you're making conclusions using data that is thousands of hands from being valuable. Lol that a guy playing 4/2 is a bot, or bad for the game.

Yes, there might be some bots on Ignition. However, Ignition (imo) does a better job than other sites of policing them. The 4 table cap itself is a pretty good deterrent.

Which leads me to my final point: You play 25nl. You lose more to the rake than to some random bots. I doubt there are bots trying to make money 4 tabling 25nl, but if they are they will likely be caught, and they are likely pretty awful to begin with.

If you don't like your table, switch.


eta: I love that your 25nl hud is 3x more complicated than what I use to play 500nl. fish gunna fish I guess

2 days in a row stuck at 88% Can anyone help?

Holy **** bro.. thats an overkill HUD for nl25 lol.. I play way way higher than you and I dont use HUD anymore.

Honestly, just move up where there arent many bots.

Where are you getting your information that they police bots well and are likely to get caught? I agree that the network setup does limit the effect bots can have on the games as a whole.

There are actually plenty of sites with lots of bots making money at 25nl. It's actually one of the most common stakes you'll find bots at.

I've never seen such a nitty bot setup to run 4/2, but nobody can say for certain without long-term data. I certainly wouldn't assume it is. The most common and popular type of bots these days are loose and very aggro, but I can't speak to the preferred bot profile used on this network.

I agree with the HUD comments. There's probably less than 10 stats that become relevant over such small samples. A HUD setup like that is likely more detrimental than beneficial on a network like this.

This is probably the best solution to your problem Stacks.

I'm developing and testing HUDs for the DriveHUD project and that was one I was working on for BetOnline at higher stakes. I didn't switch it before my Ignition session because I wanted to check something out with it first. It's really not that big of a deal nor do I typically use a HUD that complex period.

Hey, no worries. Nobody has been more vocal on these forums when it comes to the issue of botting than you but I guess you've grown tired of even trying to combat the problem. I understand. It's most certainly not "my" personal problem, though.

Why do you assume that I've grown tired of trying to combat the issue? My only recourse is to inform the people of the poker community of what is actually going on. I believe I do that as much as I should. I'm not sure what else I could add that could help.

I don't believe the tight players you mentioned were bots. I could be wrong. There's no way to determine who is and isn't on an anonymous site.

The problem affects the entire community. So, no, it is not your personal problem. What I meant by that was that I've seen you complain about game quality. The solution to that is to play at a different table or a different site.

Just because the network has had lots of recreational players in the past doesn't mean almost every table will always be "good." There are plenty of microregs that play on the network too. Players now have other sites as decent options and it's getting nicer out. People have more options of where to spend their time.

I would think that the anonymous tables would serve as a detractor to more sophisticated botters because of the lack of HUD stats...

It's not. Bot users' main concerns are their chances of being caught and, like regular players, how good the games are. The detracting factors are the lack of rakeback, table limits, and wonky software issues.

The lack of long-term HUD stats only means they're unable to continuosly exploit individual players' leaks that only become apparent after a lot of data tracking. The best bots in anonymous games are still using strategies based on population tendencies and player types of that population.

This doesn't make them any less profitable than other players in the games. In fact, depending on what the network is monitoring behind the scenes, it's possible for people to run bots for much longer lengths of time on an anonymous network than it would be on sites where other players have an ability to help police the games.

Bot forums list Ignition/Bovada as low potential for bot detection. That's never good.

pop itt

I wouldn't mind some pop. It's been quite awhile(8 months+) since this guy has enjoyed some pop. Illinois sucks. No poker rooms and pop is still only medically legal.