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Old 07-29-2019, 03:00 PM   #1
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Corporation BotFarm

Hi all!
I apologize in advance for my English

A few years ago I was reached by the information about the pokerbot corporation, the level and size of which I at first haven't believe. Gradually collecting information from various sources, I gathered irrefutable facts about the activities of this company.
Currently, AI (brain) of almost all bots in the internet poker is provided by the corporation BotFarm (BF).
It partially conducts its own operation, using its own trainers (shells and operators) or players (avatars). The corporation employs over 600 people. In addition, BF has about a dozen partners (who have sub-partners!), which are given quotas at different poker sites.
Main technical developments:
1. Their own AI
2. Ability to hack any SSL encryption of any room.
3. Using the video capture card for grabbing picture.
Because of 2 and 3 they are so difficult to detect.

The Corporation includes the following companies:

Neolab LLC (Omsk) ITN 5501171091 (ООО "Неолаб" Омск)
Neolab-Nsk LLC (Novosibirsk) ITN 5408011544 (ООО "Неолаб-Нск" Новосибирск)
Neolab-Msk LLC (Moscow) ITN 7724465081 (ООО "Неолаб-Мск" Москва)
Neolab-Techno LLC (Omsk) ITN 5504149168 (ООО "НТ" Омск)
Progress LLC (Omsk) ITN 5504230757 (ООО "Прогресс" Омск)

Website: www.neolab.io

All information about these companies can be found on the website https://www.rusprofile.ru
Unfortunately, only in Russian language

There is also a branch office in the USA:
https://neopokerlab.com/

The Head of the BF is Kapustin Svyatoslav Nikolaevich, owner of the Progress LLC.

BF work or cooperate with:

Peter "Peter_Rus" Vlasenko - owner of the Neolab LLC and the Neolab-Nsk LLC, in the past famous poker player, have the account in 2+2 - https://www.facebook.com/people/Петр...00009318784123
Valentin Batura - owner of the Neolab-Msk LLC. https://www.facebook.com/valentin.batura
Anton Frolov - https://www.facebook.com/people/%D0%...00002099509990
Anton "Purity" Moiseenkov, in the past famous poker player - https://www.facebook.com/aamoisseenkov
Someone Vasily "BlackRaven", the real name has not yet been found out, the lead programmer of the company.
Eugene Turushev -
https://www.facebook.com/people/Euge...00006753793571
Egorov Dmitriy - affiliate, Skrill partner - https://www.facebook.com/dyegorov

And many others from russian poker community.

The evidence will be published in the next post.

By my count, this corporation now has thousands of accounts online. On all limits of Texas and Omaha,*as well as in all tournaments. Strong Russian poker players known in the world poker community work on the game of bots.
From time to time, threads about capturing bots appear and fall off the net. And every time the players who achieved their exile and locks, rejoice in the fact that here is another bot-owner fallen. But it's not at all like that. No longer serious and independent bot-owners. There is a corporation BF, swallowed almost all of them.
BF provides quotas for the accounts for partners, offers various options for operation on any sites. BF provides the brain, and the partners performs operation, mutually beneficial conditions. Therefore, having lost part of the accounts, the corporation instantly replaces them, corrects the stats, changes the shells, and continues pumping out money.

I created this post in order to bring information about the fraudulent activities of the BF Corporation to the public, pull these people out of obscurity and tell about them to those whom they rob many years.
Besides, I plan to discuss with you the legality of the actions of the BF, the possibility of their criminal prosecution and methods confronting them.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:41 PM   #2
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Red flag #1: I have irrefutable evidence that i will post in my next post.
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Old 07-29-2019, 03:49 PM   #3
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Red flag #2 - the Pokerbot Corporation should be named Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:22 PM   #4
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Since you have a lot of insight into the botting business, what do you think would happen if pokersites started region banning eastern europe + Russia + kasakhzstan?
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:39 PM   #5
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Lots of bots come from Malta and Germany, so banning russians won't solve the problem. Also on chinese app, lots of bots come from chinese themselves.
Also, for a big buisness network of bots, moving to an european country will be an option, even though it's not gonna be the most pleasent option.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:15 PM   #6
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:22 PM   #7
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I'm actually intrigued since the most prevalent cash game bots don't appear to be coming from these commercially available bot sites easily found with a simple Google search. The location of origin for most of them does appear to heavily concentrated in Eastern Europe and Western Russia. Whether what the OP suggests is actually accurate or not, I won't immediately dismiss his claims as some others might since the source of the most prevalent cash game bot is unknown at the moment. Any information that could possibly shed some light on their source is of interest to me.

Please provide as much information and evidence as you can OP.

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Old 07-29-2019, 11:51 PM   #8
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Mods must be asleep lol

Edit: Good job mods. Might be some preteenies in here learning da pokerz and seeing the porn.

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Old 07-30-2019, 12:11 AM   #9
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Re: Corporation BotFarm

Linked thread on the gipsy forum:

https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=146792

Google translate cliffs:
Since my posts were written at different times and a little blurred by the discussion, I decided to write a resume.

Currently, AI (brain) of almost all bots on the Internet is provided by the corporation BF (BotPharm). It also partially conducts its own operation, using its own trainers (shells and operators) or players (avatars). The corporation combines the following companies:
Neolab LLC (Omsk), Neolab-Nsk LLC (Novosibirsk), Neolab-Msk LLC (Moscow), Neolab-Tekhno LLC (Omsk) and Progress LLC (Omsk).
The main technical developments: your AI and hacking of any SSL encryption of any room. It is because of the latter that they are so difficult to detect.
BF also developed and implemented the “Eco-Room” project: The bots of the corporation are located in the room, they play with a strong profile against regs and weak against fish, moreover, they do not allow tables to disintegrate, sitting down on such tables, and create the game themselves, playing each other friend on part-time tables.

In the BF, they work or cooperate with them:
Svyatoslav Nikolaevich Kapustin (Head of the BF)
Klasenko Peter Andreevich
Anton Sergeevich Frolov
- this name has not yet been announced, since this person plays a very important role in the corporation. Here is his FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/people/Anto...00002099509990 , I opened the list of friends in advance ..
Someone Vasily BlackRaven, the real name has not yet been determined, the lead programmer of the company.
The names of other managers can be found on the website https://www.rusprofile.ru , using the search by the specified firms.

It is very likely that they also work in the corporation:
Roman Shaposhnikov (pokermoscow) https://www.facebook.com/people/Roma...00004355976867
Makarov Vitaly "Bob" (pokermoscow)
Filatov Anatoly (ambassador Patypoker)
Egorov Dmitry (affiliate) )

Also, according to a player from the top 10 Russian poker community, whose name I can’t reveal, almost all the players from the “old guard TsGM” know about this corporation, most of them, anyway, get their part of the pie. This is partially confirmed by the fact that, apart from Gnome, none of them unsubscribed here.

As can be seen from the layouts of the working chat of the corporation, more than 600 people work in it and vacancies are open both in Omsk and in Moscow - the corporation continues to grow!

In my opinion, the evidence for the existence of the BF is
1. The coincidence of the neolab logo and the hip chat logo from the screenshots.
2. Own recognition on the homepage.
3. I have an audio recording with a conversation of a partner programmer with a leading programmer of the BF (Vasily BlackRaven).

I am ready to provide an audio recording, which I have, for checking the selected authorized representative. And lay it out in text format.

4. Periodically emerging threads about bots in the forums.

Please note that after my publication, Petr Vlasenko closed the list of friends on the FB. Apparently, fearing
what they will know about his fraudulent activities. https://www.facebook.com/people/Petr...00009318784123
Neolab's vacancy also disappeared about hiring the bot operator, the link to which was posted on this topic.

More Cliffs:
The purpose of this topic is not to sell the bot, but to destroy the BF corporation, causing it maximum damage. Therefore, I will post the collected information in the order that will help me to achieve my goal most effectively. The remaining comments will answer later.

The AI ​​of this corporation works on all poker sites that have at least some kind of game. Including .es, .it reservations, as well as on all Chinese android applications.
Now I will consider the types of exploitation in the BF Corporation. The corporation has three types of exploitation.

1. Own operation. They use it in the most difficult bots rooms (Pokerstar, partly Patipoker).
And also at the highest limits. A distinctive feature is the interception and decryption of poker room traffic. It should be noted that the corporation has the know-how in the field of cracking SSL encryption. Any new SSL protocol is cracked in a matter of hours. This is supported by a screenshot at the end of the post (see the repair time after the encryption change).
These are very cash projects, for example:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-them-1537778/

2. Operation using avatars, that is, live players who receive commands from the brain and
press the buttons with their hands. This is exactly what you call the prompter. This is well described in the NikitaJuS blog in posts # 54 and # 92

https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php...c=135979&st=40

This type of operation is also used in complex rooms, as well as in rooms that try to track bots according to statistics (for example, 888). In this case, traffic is also intercepted and hacked.

3. Affiliate exploitation. BF has about a dozen partners (who have sub-partners!), Which are given quotas at different sites.
It applies both to hacking traffic and reading pictures from the monitor. This, as a rule, is fully automatic operation using virtual machines in poorly protected botovodov rooms. (for example, Ipoker and all Chinese applications). Everything is analyzed in detail in the next branch:

https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=128222

as well as in the branches

http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=132095

http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=126934

http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?viewtopic=115848

Short summary:
The main assets of BF:
1. AI, able to beat any limits NL, serious Omaha limits and any tournaments.
With this you can not do anything - the car is always stronger than man.
2. Know-how in the field of SSL encryption hacking, which allows them to crack
new protocols of poker rooms as quickly as possible . And here I see a job for the SAT poker rooms.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:25 AM   #10
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THIS PART OF ADVERTISING TO GET MORE OPERATORS MODS DELETE THREAD
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:39 AM   #11
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Mods must be asleep lol

Edit: Good job mods. Might be some preteenies in here learning da pokerz and seeing the porn.
Or mods aren't on here every second, and also might not even see posts in a particular thread unless someone reports them.

Use the red triangle you can find to the left of every post, for future reference.

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THIS PART OF ADVERTISING TO GET MORE OPERATORS MODS DELETE THREAD
Not sure what this means, but if you want a mod's attention, you don't do it with bold all-caps posts, but by using the same post report function I referenced above.

That said, as I'm here now (thanks to post reports about the spam), what is your post supposed to mean?
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:41 AM   #12
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This is getting very serious.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:53 AM   #13
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"Know-how in the field of SSL encryption hacking, which allows them to crack
new protocols of poker rooms as quickly as possible"

so what type of things could you do with this?
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:18 AM   #14
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Do we have any good Russian translators in the forum?

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2. Operation using avatars, that is, live players who receive commands from the brain and
press the buttons with their hands. This is exactly what you call the prompter. This is well described in the NikitaJuS blog in posts # 54 and # 92

https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php...c=135979&st=40
While I'm sure there was plenty lost in translation the posts of this NikitaJuS person seemed particularly interesting.

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Old 07-30-2019, 01:59 AM   #15
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"Know-how in the field of SSL encryption hacking, which allows them to crack
new protocols of poker rooms as quickly as possible"

so what type of things could you do with this?
Reading hand history on the fly, possibly on another computer to avoid any detection from pokerrooms.

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Do we have any good Russian translators in the forum?

While I'm sure there was plenty lost in translation the posts of this NikitaJuS person seemed particularly interesting.
I will translate NikitaJuS's posts later today. They are quite interesting.
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I would appreciate you translating for us any information pertaining to this discussion on that forum that you find interesting.

A couple interesting things I read through Google translate was that every operator is interconnected so that every opponent's data is being entered into a large interconnected database in real time. Based on that database their program sends advice to the operators in live play on how to act in different situations. Also Stars banned a group of them who tried to claim they all played the same exact way because they belonged to the same poker training school. Stars wasn't buying it and asked them to play live on camera.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:00 AM   #17
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The post that I'm translating is coming from a small stakes part-time HU SNG player.


NikitaJuS:
I have two stories about bot operators and prompters from my own experience. {in Russian community, the type of software that mostly suggests GTO solutions for a human player, but implies on having a skillful operator that knows how to make exploitative plays is called "подсказчик" or "prompter"}
I have to say, that personally I always played and will continue to play honestly.

Second story is about my father, who was playing HU SNGs 3-4 years ago, while the games were good. Later on that.
Now I'm going to tell, how easy is to become bot operator, and how it works in details.

In the coaching forum, we see this topic:
*screenshot deleted by a mod*
(after my report, topic was deleted and topicstarter banned from gipsyteam.ru)
Right away, description is a red flag. I pretend to be interested and message this guy on skype.

We're having a call, his requirements and details as follows:

1) I will be playing 9-18 tables on iPoker using prompter (twister or spins).
2) Full backing (you don't put your own money at all, they will also provide an account), profits are split 60/40, in their favor.
3) They position themselves as a poker school, and they are coaching (as it turned out - for real).
4) I will need 2-3 monitors, specific router model and a gaming keypad.

[Bot guy]: Mikrotik 941 or 952, second is more expensive but has 3g, your choice.
Razer nostromo you can buy used on avito or youla (russian ebay).
{the dialogue appears to be heavily clipped}
[NikitaJus]: Good. How long does your school exists and how do you deal with game integrity teams?
[Bot guy]: Since 2013. Ask anything, I will answer. We don't play hypers for a long time, spins are better in iPoker, called twisters.
During that time on stars there were only prompters. No fully automated bots. Tomorrow we will set you up and you will see, you won't have prompts, 80% of the play bot is doing for you.
[NikitaJus]: The only thing I wanted to know is at what rates you can beat the games (chipEV or ROI) on mid/small stakes. How much money are we talking about, if you have that info.
[Bot guy]: About .20-.30€ from one tourney. On micros. Good result is 14bb/100. At 2€ it's 16-18bb/100, at 10€ try to get 12bb/100.

Ok, I get the router (I work in IT, don't have to buy).
Specific model is needed to load a settings backup (VPN connection for using remote desktop). Gaming keypad for taking fast actions while multitabling.
I ask them for a test session, we set a connection for 2 PCs, one is for a bot, another for a poker client. We can put the client window on 2 big monitors and play up 18 tables.

How the bot works:
For the most time, it plays itself (all the preflop play, common postflop spots), tougher spots are shown to you on a small monitor, and you play. It looks like this:



Naturally, for making tough decisions you have to be good player yourself, thats why they are coaching. In my case it was a hand review on skype (the coach was very good).

We reviewed 3 hands and I stopped talking to them.
If we take minimum €0.20 EV they promised from one spin, make it 500 spins a day, multiply by 25 working days, we get €1000 EV a month (after their 60% cut, and only minimal winnings).

Play only on stars.

P.S. Can't tell all the details, because I don't want to take any part in this. But in the next post I will tell you how my father was playing in a team like in this on pokerstars, and where it get him.
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2. Ability to hack any SSL encryption of any room.
Making this claim just proves you're a liar.

a) This almost certainly isn't possible in any meaningful way with the current state of computing.

b) There's no point to "hack any SSL encryption of any [poker] room" because it wouldn't give you any meaningful data. The only use case would be if you could intercept data travelling to/from another player's computer, and see their hole cards etc.

c) If this was true, they wouldn't bother looking at poker hole cards, they'd just intercept the whole world's internet traffic

d) People who find genuine security vulnerabilities of this magnitude don't post them on NVG, they report them to their superiors at the NSA, FSB or the PLA.
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And the second post from him.

NikitaJus:
From 2000s my father was counting cards, this was our main family income.
If someone is interested in advantage gambling against casino - let me know.
In 2015-2016, when casinos in Russia were already banned for a long time, and in best foreign casinos you are black-listed, you struggle to find a work with your skillset.
An offer comes up from his old buddies. 10 years ago these guys were playing in one of those offices, that you discussed here in previous posts{small office, you work there as a PC operator, pressing poker client buttons that are suggested to you onscreen}.
That was a golden era of online poker, playing cash shortstacked, we won't talk about it now.

I.
So, the people are already working, partly in Novosibirsk, partly in Sochi. No special skills required.
They fly you in Sochi, buy you a PC and pay rent for a flat, where you will live with other operators.
150$ for a ticket, 600$ for a PC, 600$ for a deposit. We register a stars account for our name, and get a $ debit card for cashing out.
We're gonna play $3-7 HU SNGs, only 4-5 tables, because you click all the buttons yourself, and make some decisions too. Later they came up with autoclicks, you only need to hover a specific table.
Those who were more experienced played up to 8 tables, and stakes were higher.
Profits are 50/50.
What was the software like (prompter):

Written in C#, using an OCR-library (text detection from a screen area) for getting a game state on a table.
Your hand, board, blinds positions, pot size, bets.
Like this (screenshot from google):



It is necessary for the client and prompter to be run on separate PCs (you run the prompter, you also run the client but using remote desktop/virtual machine).
Prompter reads the screen, processes the info, and shows you some numbers around chat window. These numbers correspond to hotkeys you are pressing on your numpad.
For the proper screen capture, you'd have to use fixed table positions, layout settings (specific card deck) and hotkeys, that are set in prompter.

Opponents actions are imported to a regular database.
Nicknames, all the possible actions (about 100 for each), and how much specific actions they took.



All the databases are put on a single FTP-server, where the prompter gets the player stats.
After it gets the info from your table, it makes a decision based on its algorithm and player stats, and outputs a number.
Like in previous example, some decisions you have to make yourself.
Allowed software: SessionLord - auto-seats to specific opponents (ITM 48-49%) and PokerTracker.

Play all the time, more - better. Relax in Sochi, cashing out money.



All good, but one month later we get an e-mail from Stars.



Everyone connected to the team was frozen and got the same e-mail. Knowing that final decision will take time, they send everyone home.




{There are parts II & III in NikitaJus post, but they don't bring much info, just some stats. If you wanna look them up, go to his original post and check last spoiler.}
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Making this claim just proves you're a liar.

a) This almost certainly isn't possible in any meaningful way with the current state of computing.

b) There's no point to "hack any SSL encryption of any [poker] room" because it wouldn't give you any meaningful data. The only use case would be if you could intercept data travelling to/from another player's computer, and see their hole cards etc.

c) If this was true, they wouldn't bother looking at poker hole cards, they'd just intercept the whole world's internet traffic

d) People who find genuine security vulnerabilities of this magnitude don't post them on NVG, they report them to their superiors at the NSA, FSB or the PLA.
TS claims a lot of things and has yet to prove most of them on russian forums. While everything looks credible, proofs that he has aren't hard to forge.

So everyone is sceptical about what he says and specifically on the SSL-hacking thing. How I understand this, it's not that hard to get your own SSL key, provided to you by poker client, and use it to intercept and decipher SSL traffic at other points, different from poker client.
It's not a hack per se, if you use your own key. And it's not a groundbreaking tech that you could use to bring the internet down.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:07 AM   #21
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In my first post I told about the activities of the BotFarm, about the people - scammers, which works in it and the ways of their activities.
I got access to the corporate chat of the BotFarm and took hundreds of screenshots. In addition, I was able to download more than a million hands of the bot.
As evidence, I uploaded to the file-sharing site screenshots of negotiations in the botfarm chat, mostly in Russian but there are some technical negotiations in English,
as well as more than a million hands played by the bot on the PokerMaster (bot cards are visible).

Links:

Negotiations in English:
https://transfiles.ru/e5ivg
pass: 4ewcqg

All negotiations:
https://transfiles.ru/gwsc3
pass: nzzqbi

HandHistory:
https://transfiles.ru/8py3g
pass: ptluku

In the upper left corner of any screenshot you can see the logo and the word NEO.

Next, go to the NEOLAB website (neolab.io) and you can see the logo in the upper left corner.

Besides that, we can see their own recognition (need to click 2004-2008). Translation to English:
"The team began to form in 2004. Then we set ourselves a complex research task – to develop advanced artificial intelligence in the field of games with incomplete information, the solution of which can not be carried out by direct search. A few years later, this task was completely solved."

On the screenshots you will see a discussion of only one poker room - PokerMaster. The BotFarm's activities are highly classified, and I was only able to access these chatrooms.
As you can see on the posted screenshots of the working chat of the Corporation, it employs more than 600 people (hip/P and hip/People folders).

Information about the owners of the companies is publicly available on the website https://www.rusprofile.ru:

Neolabs
https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/11068920
https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/10612403
https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/11701679
https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/10507473

Progress
ttps://www.rusprofile.ru/id/6012141

Of course, I could not find all this and get all this information without having insider information from one of the partners BotFarm.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:36 AM   #22
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TS claims a lot of things and has yet to prove most of them on russian forums. While everything looks credible, proofs that he has aren't hard to forge.

So everyone is sceptical about what he says and specifically on the SSL-hacking thing. How I understand this, it's not that hard to get your own SSL key, provided to you by poker client, and use it to intercept and decipher SSL traffic at other points, different from poker client.
It's not a hack per se, if you use your own key. And it's not a groundbreaking tech that you could use to bring the internet down.
If that's all he's claiming, then it's like saying that you can "hack" your bank's SSL because you can log into your bank account on your home web browser. That's now what any of the words mean, and make his claims even less credible.

Of course, he might be telling "his truth" and just using words badly - even more reason for all of us to be skeptical but open to verification. I don't think that's likely, but it isn't impossible for him to be telling "his truth".
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Old 07-30-2019, 10:34 AM   #23
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Josem,

SSL has been compromised a long time ago, read this old article from Wired:

Law Enforcement Appliance Subverts SSL

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Old 07-30-2019, 11:29 AM   #24
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okiidokii,

It is difficult to imagine that a poker room client allows the use of alternative certificates as required by that sort of technology.
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:11 PM   #25
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This is crazy ****, this means that bots that dominate spin and goes are here soon if not already. I actually anted to make one myself, i have a PhD in physics, making one just amounts to reading already published papers on the subject and implementing it yourself, its all described there.
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