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Sure, most anything is justifiable in a solver if you fiddle with parameters. ThatÂ’s kind of the point, that obv calling T6dd is not a big mistake if at all, and when you program a bot youÂ’re aiming for simplicity and donÂ’t mind sacrificing small amounts of EV in some spots.

Again, what is being claimed the bot can do is extraordinarily complicated from a coding perspective and itÂ’s much more likely that the bot plays a fixed strategy using exploitative ideas and grinds mass volume which is the point of building a bot and is how you make money in poker anyway rather than being some kind of gto god.

You used the hand as a way of providing evidence the bots play a fixed (non GTO) strat, but if you have the wrong parameters, it is not evidence of what you claim.

I don't know if the bots can do things that are "extraordinarily complicated from a coding perspective", but several regs are saying they are and you are showing that hand as evidence they are not.

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Yesterday , 09:21 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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Originally Posted by Meeowth

Lol my parameters are wrong because they’re not the ones you used?

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Yesterday , 09:39 PM

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Meeowth

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

Lol my parameters are wrong because they’re not the ones you used?

I'm saying that when I can fiddle with wide ranges to put that hand squarely inside a GTO solution, it is more likely you used the "wrong" parameters than "the bots are playing fixed strat".

I'm not even saying you're wrong! Just that the hand you showed is not strong evidence.

Do you have any more hands like this?

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Yesterday , 11:06 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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Originally Posted by Meeowth

Possibly of that same type (SRP), I already didnÂ’t find much and that bot account is no longer active so I am gathering hands from new profiles but there is some time lag because I have to identify them first. But yeah I do have a number of hands of bots doing things that arenÂ’t solver .
As far as stuff IÂ’ve posted, there are several hands in the ACR botfarm thread showing obvious preflop mistakes that the $40 MTT bots are making. loose aggressive preflop plays like stacking off with AJo AQo for 50+bbs that might not be bad against the player pool but that are exploitable if you know them.

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Today , 12:41 PM

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MicroDonkYT

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Originally Posted by pontylad

Ralph, you were trying to argue this point with a 20knl reg in the NVG thread, who is far better versed with these bots than any of us. I think it has been pretty well established how these bots are playing, they are basically using solvers on the fly, while also being able to exploit player pools and individual players based on their stats. You keep suggesting they have a fixed strategy, they don't, it's highly adaptable to player profiles.

Of course any bot that exploits player pools is also going to be semi exploitable itself but absolutely no where near to the degree all the 200nl regs in this thread seem to think. This point is being made ad-nauseam everywhere but you post a 2 hand sample to show how easy it is to exploit the bots because turn small bets are always value. I can't tell if you're trolling or not? They use small sizing as bluff too? They also seem to be updating/adjusting/perfecting the bot strategies too. I'm not saying the games aren't beatable, It really depends on the make up of the tables you are playing, but you guys are not crushing the bots or anything close to it.