You used the hand as a way of providing evidence the bots play a fixed (non GTO) strat, but if you have the wrong parameters, it is not evidence of what you claim.

I don't know if the bots can do things that are "extraordinarily complicated from a coding perspective", but several regs are saying they are and you are showing that hand as evidence they are not.

Lol my parameters are wrong because they’re not the ones you used?

I'm saying that when I can fiddle with wide ranges to put that hand squarely inside a GTO solution, it is more likely you used the "wrong" parameters than "the bots are playing fixed strat".

I'm not even saying you're wrong! Just that the hand you showed is not strong evidence.

Do you have any more hands like this?

Possibly of that same type (SRP), I already didnÂ’t find much and that bot account is no longer active so I am gathering hands from new profiles but there is some time lag because I have to identify them first. But yeah I do have a number of hands of bots doing things that arenÂ’t solver .
As far as stuff IÂ’ve posted, there are several hands in the ACR botfarm thread showing obvious preflop mistakes that the $40 MTT bots are making. loose aggressive preflop plays like stacking off with AJo AQo for 50+bbs that might not be bad against the player pool but that are exploitable if you know them.

Add in card sharing and collusion and you are drawing dead for sure. Some of the egos involved in this argument are lol.

I am saying just do the math. The reason people win more money and live poker at the same stakes it's not necessarily because the players are worse, which they might be it's mostly because the pots are bigger. If you're going to keep the pot small you're going to win less money that's just simple math. I don't understand why people online don't get this. The win rates at pot limit Omaha are bigger because nobody makes these small bats. So most of the hands are heads up just like six Max hold them but the win rates are at least double. You have to ask yourself why. The reason is because they don't make the small bats the parts are always bigger because people are betting pot or close to pot

dude if you bet 20% on flop and 100% on turn in a 3bet pot, you're not "keeping the pot small" just because you c-bet 20%

you still end up all in by the river

Jungmit isn't worth engaging. He's already demonstrated he doesn't understand math with his RNG fixing rants. He's also missing the forest for the trees on why the average per street percentage bet sizing at PLO is generally larger than NLHE.

Amazing he's been on these forums since at least 2007.

That could be true, but u get a ton of folds on turn with the bigger bets. So u win more pots but they are smaller. So at 200nl u raise to $4 pf. Get 1 caller pot is $8. Flop u bet say $3 villain calls. So $14 in pot. Turn u bomb $20 u get a ton of folds so u win $14 less rake and half of the money u put in. Now say u raise to $8 of one caller u already got $16 in this pot. U cbet $12 get a call pot is $40. So this over and over and your win rate will increase.

The average street in PLO is bigger because people bet more. 1. To make people pay to chase. 2 to protect hand. 3 they afraid of getting sucked out on.

Well said.

Jungmit is still in this forum since 2007 because he's been winning more than 10bb/ 100 hands since that point

amazing how just one poster can derail this much and waste everyone's time xD, no offense btw jungmit this isn't personal it's just its clear you don't understand this matter.

No the people playing live is worse. One very big evidence of this is that the rake is usually extremely high live. If online sites had the same rake structure games wouldnt be beatable.

2nd no pot size doesn't matter, you could technically play smaller sizings in PLO and play wider ranges. Or play bigger sizings in NL and tighter ranges.

So I have to stay on the topic that you want to discuss? So if anybody else wants to talk about a different topic that has to do with ignition poker they're not allowed to because you're talking about a different topic? I mean you are free to keep posting about the topic you want to talk about but this is the public forum I can also post about the topic I want to talk about

The games would not be beatable online with a bigger rake because the parts are smaller. If the pots are bigger the rake is less of a factor. So all the men raising and one third pot bets keep the pots small. If you were playing 200 no limit hold'em and the average part was $120 the game would be beatable if the rake was $7 a pot just like in a live game. In live poker the pots are bigger that's why it's beatable with a bigger rake. Back before Black Friday people were crushing games at 15 and 20 big blinds per hundred hands. How are they doing that? Well the average raise back then at a one two game was to like 10 or 12 dollars pre-flop it wasn't $4 like it is now. So just for math sake if you win a $30 pot and a site takes $3 in rake it's 10%. But if the pot is bigger like say $85 and they take a $3 rake well that's way less than 10%. As soon as you get the pot over the maximum rate amount the rest of the money is pure profit because there's no rake on it

What is the traffic like on the real money Hold'em tables at Ignition? I am trying to get a feel for this site with the play money tables and the action is few and far between there. They don't seem to allow observation of the real money tables due to their whole anonymous play concept. I'm not opposed to that but I would like to observe a real money game once in a while. I'm not going to deposit any money on this site if there is no one playing.

I have not played on the site in four days and I’m missing $200 out of my account. What the **** is going on with this site

At least at $1/2 and lower you'll be able to get 4 tables up very quickly