Hexapro,,,, now is the time that ambassadors leave you and you hire sportsmen that also pose in their underwear for money. LUL

The industry standard was and is to decline.

Andrew West's standard was to grow.

Sorry, but this looks a lot like another case like Amaya taking over Stars, where they had no understanding of how the site had been built up, what the brand meant, and thought the policies that had led to its growth were all wrong and replaced them with the ones that had failed elsewhere.

Does anyone know what has happened to the unibet Open Exchange tournaments?

Did they forget to run them because everyone is getting pissed in Dublin?

This is the 2nd weekend they haven't run. Have we gone back to exchanging them on here?

No exchanges anymore, they want you playing the next rounds.

Wow, that sucks. What sucks worse is they never emailed or anything. I have 4x €250 that I would have exchanged earlier if I had known. FFS!! Would be nice to get some warning.

Bucharest was great and all but I don't have any desire to head into darkest Romania in February. Seems like the goalposts have been moved quite a few times - and always for the worse

At least I'm not surprised anymore - some quotes:



@unibetPatric what can you do to help me out here, Patric?

I'd really like cash for those tickets but I guess you won't want to do that - so how about a last exchange on those 4 x €250 for 100 x €10 with a 6 month expiry?

Can you do that?

Alias: vixere

They have not run since the 4th of November or something. It's been mentioned here several times and also on the Community forum. It was never an official feature and they are limited to how many emails they can send on mass so they wouldn't have sent out an email about something many players didn't know existed and was never promoted.

I think you make some good points.Thank you for the input.

It was enough of a feature for 2+2ers that exchanges were previously done in this thread. After that got a bit busy they opened a dedicated ticket exchange on their own community site - seems pretty "official" to me. After that there was no need to go to the community site because they launched the exchangers. Those had to be "official".

As far as emailing everybody - that's not necessary. But maybe everyone who ever exchanged a ticket. Everyone who exchanged one on here. Or everyone who used the thread. Anyone with a 4 figure ticket balance perhaps. Even a pop-up on the exchangers themselves for a few weeks would have been a help.

Peace!

your software is falling apart

Hexapro will probably be not as unbeatable as it looks like, and I understand that Unibet had to keep the game 3-max because it has much less liquidity than Stars (even in such a niche game as Spin & Go Max), 888 and Party, which was a severe limitation for the design of the game, but if I were responsible for Hexapro, assuming that the rake is non-negotiable , I'd make the game a bit slower to allow a bit more room for skilled play in a couple of ways:

1) increase the blind level timings from 3 to 4 minutes in 5x-10x multiplier games;
2) lower the antes from 4 to 2 chips at blind level 2 (15/30) for a smoother transition from 10/20 to 20/40 (ante 5) in terms of effective stack depths.

In general, though, I guess Hexapro has been designed to address the same issue of classical Spin & Gos that 888 and Stars have tried to fix with Blast and Spin & Go Max, namely, the high frequency and long duration of lowest multiplier games, making those negative experiences more memorable than the positive experiences of high multipliers. Thus I consider Hexapro decently thought out given the constraints (the industry-standard high rake being one).

These are just my 2 cents as an observer. Good luck!

Hey guys, are some of you winning long-term on unibet? Nl25+?

Few thoughts, making a bit of quick counts and bringing up why I think Hexapro is dead poisonous fish on the water who no-one should touch.

Rake and effective rake (removing jackpots or less than 1/100k odds from the count) @ Spin and go's @ different sites:

Unibet 6.853% (7,853%)
PokerStars From 5% to 8% (5,12%-9,2%)
Winamax 7% (7,4%)
PartyPoker From 4% to 8% (~4,12%-8,12%)
MPN 5% (5,85% effective after jackpots)
888 6,12%-10% (~7,12%-11%)
iPoker 7% (7%-8%)

Rakeback is better @ MPN for casual players (30%) and better for low-mid-volume players @ Party (30%-40%) and roughly equal for highstakes grinders (50+% diamond). In comparison Unibet mostly offers much lower rakeback for players who rake less than 12,5k€/3 months. iPoker is far more hard to count as people seem to have occasionally absurdly high returns due to special deals and rakeraces there, but usually rakeback is more meek (although more than @ Unibet for most players).

I guess only super high volume grinders who play @ lower stakes are ones who are enjoying benefits of lower effective rake @ Unibet. And this only happens if for some reason these Hexapros will have enough players playing them. For really low stakes players Unibet offer less rakeback than iPoker and 888 while giving roughly same as PokerStars / Winamax. But even those sites usually have better special bonuses for players (reload etc.) than Unibet.

I for one don't buy that more rake is better for poker and I think this will hurt already small poker economy @ Unibet, but makes sense in a way as site is far more concerned about sportsbook and casino products while poker has seen very little concern during last year. To truly be a poker game which contains skill it should allow good players to make profit long-term pre-rakeback.

Just to break-even you have to win 36 out of 100 hexapros, out of which almost all games play with 1 min or 2 min blinds. Seems rather clear that only clear winner will be Unibet with this rake + structure.

Effective rake is so much higher @Unibet than on most other sites (let's forget 888, it's a joke anyway with forced all-in in the end and Winamax has better structures) that I struggle to find why anyone who plays poker for fun or work would play @ Unibet if they know other sites exist. 888 at least offers lots of free tickets to their players which keep games afloat.

From money perspective MPN / PartyPoker seems to win with effective rake mostly being under or around 4%, and PokerStars with their liquidity can boast that their spin and go's always launch. IPoker has special deals and rakeraces which can make it very regfriendly. Even 888 offers lots of free tickets, Winamax can boast with French / Spanish fishes and decent software. Most other sites offer far lower effective rake while keep fish interested with huge jackpots.

What Unibet offers here that other sites don't do much better already? What promos will make Hexapro bit more tempting? And for long-term, when fish have been dried out are you open to bring rake back to more sustainable level? Or will you just let Unibet poker die as it has outlived its usefulness?

To be positive, there is one positive note: separate blind level lengths for different multipliers. But that's really not the thing that will save these overpriced / overhyped lotto sit and go's.

Also skill level in these Hexapros are narrowed by the fact that while other sites mostly offer spin and go's with 3 minute blinds, about 80% of your games will run with 1 minute and 2 minutes blinds and ONLY roughly 0,1% of your games have longer blind levels. This will make it even much more harder to beat these games.

Unibet has anything for HU ? SNGs or cashgames ?

Does anybody remember 'Matrix SNGs' that were on Full Tilt Poker?

Those things were fun. Basically 9 ppl registered and 4 tables opened simultaneously, each with a portion of the prizepool. Then there was a sub prizepool in the form of a leaderboard where the points were earned from each of the 4 SNGs.

These were so fun back in the day. Please think about implementing these.

It might be a good way to get a bigger field SNG format running with a decent amount of tables for action.

I am glad that players are saying it as it is. I don't need to wait and see what will happen to Unibet after Hexapro. Experience and my industry judgement tells me with certainty that without constant bonuses, promos that this format will eventually lose players from Unibet.
Imagine a player playing 4NL and compare that to 1 euro Hexapro. Which format will give him more play for a 20 dollar deposit? After a few weeks of depositing he is more likely to just quit. Unibet knows this and is why they have promos like double trouble.

What else is going to occur is regs playing sngs/cash are going to encounter tougher games and some will move sites lowering critical mass which is already a problem for Unibet 12 hours a day.

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There are HU SNGs but no HU Cash

Alas, game integrity is going to be an increasingly more important consideration than rake and payout structures when choosing a site to play spins on because real-time GTO advisors and table selection scripts are menacing Poker operators' need to invest more in security is another reason why the rake is going up across the industry.

3-max spins are going to die out in a year or two, I'm afraid.

Hi all,
First of all, I would like to take the chance and thank everyone for their feedback, whether it's positive or negative.
You can be assured that we take everything into consideration, and if the worst-case predictions in this thread were to happen, we will make adjustments like we have in the past.

I want to point out, that the introduction of HexaPro, does not mean that we plan to increase the rake for SNGs. Our goal is to have both run frequently and to give the choice of both to play.

In regard to the comparison with other sites, please take into consideration that among the rake for the lowest tiers, meaning those that don't benefit as much from our loyalty system, will pay less rake in average than on other sites, while on the higher tiers the players will pay the same percentage, however benefit from our higher rewarding loyalty system and other promotions and, therefore effectively still pay less rake in average.

I understand if some of you do not like the jackpot SNG format, but it is one of the most popular games for recreational players and a great entry level poker format.

We will continue to promote different poker games in our monthly missions and promotions. We will also keep our ecology focused promotions and competitive loyalty system to ensure liquidity in our existing games.

In summary, I'd kindly ask you to give us a fair chance and see how things develop.
What I can say, is that we believe that it will have a positive effect on us, for us as a business but also the average players, as cross-selling and acquisition of new customers will be made much easier with a product like HexaPro.

Thanks again for your feedback and best of luck at the tables.

Unibet Patrick, Party poker just announced they are leaving Thailand market at end of year. Can you comment whether Unibet is still going to continue in Thai market?

I haven't heard anything in that regard so far.

If you believe what you are writing that casino players coming to the pokerplatform is a good thing for bussiness... i leave that for you to fill in.

all what you guys see is a recreational depositing and loosing his money too fast on higher cashgames and you guys are to greedy to let that happen. This hexapro is just there to steal money from everyone and keep the unibet machine fueled. imo you don't charge the full pot when you don't have enough costumers representing you are worth what you think you are.

I believe if unibet poker wants to grow we need allot but allot more cashgame traffic, but it feels like you guys rather take short term profits. the poker client is grabbing what it can. your poker product is living in the shadows it will die in the shadows and it has not seen a bit off sun in a loooong time.
the release off the 2.0 client was unfortunate and i am sure it would have a more flourishing product today without all the bugs back then. If i was new to poker i wouldn't trust those clowns from post 2.0 client with my money either. but that is in the past now however i feel you are just making mistake after mistake now.
the longterm vision you had with poker is just totally gone. and i think playerbase > profit.

Well, it's hard to make a long-term profit with a single idea anyway because worthwhile ideas tend to be copied by Stars within a year The first-mover advantage is short-lived.

In particular, I predict that, if HexaPro is successful, then Stars will soon make the blind level lengths depend on the multiplier too, as a promotion at some buy-in levels or even a permanent change.

I do think HexaPro could be very interesting for people who are (fairly) new to the game. So it would make sense if it would be advertised with the casino games on the Unibet site. Maybe make it playable in the browser just like the casino games (so you don't have to log-in again.