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07-31-2020 , 04:12 AM


After their old chat mod is gone for unknown reasons, SWC has hired someone who also plays on the site and who is suspected by many Open Face Chinese regulars to be cheating (using live solvers during play).

Since SWC has traditionally not investigated foul play on the Chinese tables, we used to just ignore him and not give him action. Since he is chat mod, he is actively muting people who call him out.

This site is getting more hilarious by the day.

Oh and yes, the site started crashing randomly recently aswell.
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07-31-2020 , 07:48 AM
Higher highs is disgusting. I got a perma ban for saying "trans people aren't people", which, ok is kinda a dick move, but who tf cares? I mostly play on seals for the heads up tables, what is the good of HU tables where you can't chat. ****ing joke of a site. what are they doing, they are supposed to be for freedom of expression instead there is some SJW joke moderating the site
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08-01-2020 , 11:45 AM
This site has hit new bottoms. Do yourselves a favor and find a new bitcoin poker site. This one is done. This is just a desperate attempt to clean up the place so they can draw in more people to screw over. If new management is using twitter dupes to promote action why wouldn't they use house bots Its ran by a shady cult like group that sits behind the scenes trying to figure everyone out so they know who's a liability. This are no good intentions behind all the new censorship on site and new management should not be trusted.

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Originally Posted by ff6237
the problem with SWC isn't that they are not trustworthy. It's' that the traffic is dying and they aren't doing **** about it
I no longer trust this site.
Foxmulder- long time player on swc since opening days

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Originally Posted by marlais
Just sent this to support@swcpoker.eu and fully expect them to send it straight to /dev/null, so I'm posting it here for posterity.

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Can you please remove higherhighs from the trollbox? If you want to ban the N-word and F-word, great. I fully support those decisions. But this guy is instigating all of the misery in the trollbox right now and then playing the victim card when it inevitably escalates.

Is this person even sanctioned by you? I feel like this must be a troll since it's so over the top, but people keep getting muted and the rules keep getting changed to ban all possible instances of higherhighs' feelings getting hurt, so that's confusing.

Please just post the chat rules prominently and keep it objective. For example, "you can't tell people to kill themselves" and "don't say the N-word or post links referring to the N-word" instead of including wildly subjective rules like "no player abuse" (whatever that means). Then, quietly mute people who break the rules without having higherhighs confront them in the trollbox. If they want to discuss the reasons for the ban, stick to email.

For whatever reason, higherhighs cannot moderate chat without making it personal and involving himself in every conversation that has nothing to do with him. His constant barrage of "you're pushing it," "this is your final warning," "you've been pushing the edge all week long," "that's not the only reason we banned beerman," "chat is a privilege," "stop abusing me" bull**** just makes it worse. Why would you even discuss the reasons for player bans with EVERYONE IN THE TROLLBOX?

It only escalates arguments when higherhighs tells someone they're banned, but the ban won't take effect until 12 hours from now when someone wakes up. Then, the player rages out for the next 12 hours and higherhighs escalates the conflict even further by increasing the length of the ban because he's feeling "abused." He has directly instigated the abuse he complains of in almost all cases I've seen.

Letting higherhighs report people based on his personal dislike of certain players is a disastrous, ill-conceived policy that only serves to make him feel like he has control over some aspect of his life and inflates his ego. He thinks he is entitled to respect because his chat color is green, and when that fails, he resorts to intimidation, fear tactics, and misdirected punishment. It doesn't work that way. You have to earn people's respect.

You're driving away players and making SWC look terrible. The 500 krill requirement to chat is punishing new players. Do yourself a favor and take away higherhighs' chat. It won't stop him from reporting people by email, but will prevent the current trainwreck in the trollbox from continuing, and might possibly slow the hemorrhage of players from the site.

marlais

This is a very accurate description of a real problem right now on swc.

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Originally Posted by sinner
Micon got raided by NGC in February 2015, SWC went down, but SWC paid out everybody in full immediately.

When FTP went down, they took ~3 years to pay out, PokerStars took 2 weeks. SWC paid out much faster than PokerStars under similar circumstances.

I would argue that SWC is one of the most trustworthy poker sites.

This is false. Swc never directly notified anyone and you had to claim your balance. There are many people who lost their funds.

Instead of doing the right, and much simpler thing, which would have been to transfer balances over, they chose to complicate the process so they can keep money that wasn't theirs.

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08-01-2020 , 01:20 PM
I don't say much around here but in my experience this site is the easiest of any to play on. If you don't want to keep more than one buy-in on the site, you can deposit one buy-in, and withdraw whatever is left over at the end of your session. It's really easy. I tried to do something like that on another site and they stopped the withdrawal and emailed me asking why I wanted to withdraw so fast. At SWC they practically encourage you to take control of your own money.

As far as chat censorship, you used to be able to spew whatever hateful **** you wanted. Great. Now you get called out for your ****. Whatever. Yeah. It's a poker site, not a chatroom. If you want the site to grow you're going to have to stop chasing away people with racism and other hate speech. Go start your own white-power poker site and you proud boys can play against each other. I'd love for moms and whoever else to feel comfortable putting their chips in my stack, so I'm fine with chat censorship. It's not a political forum. True it's easy for me because I don't really chat or call people names anyway, but I think if you're complaining about chat on a poker site you're really out of touch and possibly even a teenager.
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08-01-2020 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I no longer trust this site.
Foxmulder- long time player on swc since opening days
you're Foxmulder (certainly recognize the name), and you feel this way about SWC now? ... I was gonna play some of the series that just started, but changing my mind now... what has changed your mind about their "trust"?
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08-01-2020 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by yardbird78
I don't say much around here but in my experience this site is the easiest of any to play on. If you don't want to keep more than one buy-in on the site, you can deposit one buy-in, and withdraw whatever is left over at the end of your session. It's really easy. I tried to do something like that on another site and they stopped the withdrawal and emailed me asking why I wanted to withdraw so fast. At SWC they practically encourage you to take control of your own money.



As far as chat censorship, you used to be able to spew whatever hateful **** you wanted. Great. Now you get called out for your ****. Whatever. Yeah. It's a poker site, not a chatroom. If you want the site to grow you're going to have to stop chasing away people with racism and other hate speech. Go start your own white-power poker site and you proud boys can play against each other. I'd love for moms and whoever else to feel comfortable putting their chips in my stack, so I'm fine with chat censorship. It's not a political forum. True it's easy for me because I don't really chat or call people names anyway, but I think if you're complaining about chat on a poker site you're really out of touch and possibly even a teenager.
And yet, here you are complaining about chat.

Referring to all those banned as proud boys further shows your ignorance.
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08-01-2020 , 02:08 PM
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And yet, here you are complaining about chat.
I'm not complaining about chat. You're projecting. I'm calling out those who are complaining about chat.
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08-01-2020 , 03:55 PM
>If new management is using twitter dupes to promote action why wouldn't they use house bots Its ran by a shady cult like group that sits behind the scenes trying to figure everyone out so they know who's a liability. This are no good intentions behind all the new censorship on site and new management should not be trusted.


woah woah woah. Let's not make assumptions. I'm up a good amount of money on this site over a 70k cash game hand sample, and over 2 thousand MTTs played. Not only do I see tons of people talking in chat, with human like speech, at the very least, I'm beating the bots if they do exist. I'm a 50NL player, I only keep ~500$ on the site right now, but given that I'm up 2.5k and have withdrawn all that I think we can call them trustworthy, or at least as trustworthy as ACR and the like. I hope the series improves the traffic on the site, that's all
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08-02-2020 , 11:44 PM
Hello everyone.

My name is James U. , I'm 25 years old and I live in Ohio. I've been playing on SwC since the Micon era / version 1.0 / ~8ish years.

The past few months, an unknown person with the name of "HigherHighs" was given "temporary moderator privledges". The reasoninig behind this, they said, was "SwC trusts me and i've been with them since the beginning". Funny, because this HigherHighs character doesn't seem to ever "remember" anything about the old OGs, including former moderator Glitchard.

After defending myself against a racist stalker (this has been going on for a few months) I find myself chat banned. This is not unusual; HigherHighs has been chat banning people he/SHE does not agree with. I guess I fall into that category now.

I posted on their bitcoin talk thread, but my post was deleted. So I'm posting here.

After years of "shilling" for SwC, I am done. I quit. I will not play a hand of poker on this site, and I encourage you all to do the same.

That's all I have to say. I am infuriated, but mostly just disappointed. SwC should not die like this. It is sad.


Cheers, and God bless
- James "pman" U.
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08-03-2020 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ff6237
Higher highs is disgusting. I got a perma ban for saying "trans people aren't people", which, ok is kinda a dick move, but who tf cares?
Lots of people, one would hope.

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Originally Posted by ff6237
they are supposed to be for freedom of expression
Gosh, it must be rough not being able to share your transphobia with everyone.

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Originally Posted by ff6237
instead there is some SJW joke moderating the site
Just so you know, this SJW joke will be happy to ban you from 2+2 as well if you spew similar hate here.
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08-03-2020 , 06:58 AM
dude pmaniac sad to see you go man. Yesterday you were in the trollbox talking about butt sex or something. What tf happened?
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08-03-2020 , 11:36 PM
Whether you agree with swcpoker’s choice to change the chat rules or not isn’t really ever going to lead to a productive conversation and neither will your opinion of the new chat moderator. Swcpoker has changed the rules. Period.

It’s only natural that a shift of power has occurred since the changes took effect. Anyone that thought it was going just include the banning of two words and that would fix the issue is mistaken. Once swc decided to change, it became imperative that the power shift was a dramatic change. A subtle change simply would not have been effective.

If I may make an analogy, if you’re going to invade and conquer a city, state, country, trollbox, whatever, you don’t accomplish that by doing the bare minimum. To quote a soldier’s words regarding Baghdad “we weren’t there selling Girl Scout cookies.” If you want to seize power, you must overreach. This is exactly what swcpoker has done.

My hope for the future is that the mutes become less necessary over time and we can hopefully get back to talking about stupid funny stuff like we used to. Unfortunately right now the power struggle is the main topic of conversation, which isn’t really fun for anyone. I would love to log on and find the box full of useless topics like sex drugs and rock n roll. That’ll be the day that we first find the new normal. It’s never going to be like it was when it was uncensored, but if we prove that we can behave without having to be ruled by such overreaching power, then we will likely receive more freedom of speech than what is currently offered at swcpoker.

TLDR: if we behave like idiots they’re going to treat us like idiots.
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08-04-2020 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
My hope for the future is that the mutes become less necessary over time and we can hopefully get back to talking about stupid funny stuff like we used to. Unfortunately right now the power struggle is the main topic of conversation, which isn’t really fun for anyone. I would love to log on and find the box full of useless topics like sex drugs and rock n roll.


sorry bro, talking about sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll would be creating an uncomfortable sexual and/or abusive atmosphere. get on board or #BAN.
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08-04-2020 , 01:11 AM
Yeah I think there’s going to be some loosening of this policy in the future.
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08-04-2020 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by marlais

It only escalates arguments when higherhighs tells someone they're banned, but the ban won't take effect until 12 hours from now when someone wakes up. Then, the player rages out for the next 12 hours and higherhighs escalates the conflict even further by increasing the length of the ban
Ok, first of all if 'higherhighs' has the power to do "countdown" chat bans that is hilarious.

Second, you're not using the chat to say 'nh' or 'gg'.

Third, what's going on with this thread? Why do people seem to care more about chat than playing poker on a poker site?

Most, if not all, seasoned online poker players would not care if their chat was banned temporarily.

Basically every player is using chat for small talk like 'gg' or 'nh' but really using it to see what their opponents dare to write to determine if they're drunk, tilted, logical, new, experienced, etc.

You see, I use this site to play a game called "poker". It's a game for money where having an edge over the field can produce an income. To simplify it, I use this site as an enjoyable way to make money from home while watching netflix.

If you want to chat there are plenty of places to do so including here. You could text a friend even or make a facebook post of all your thoughts. Either way, no one will read it or care. Not just because it's you; rather we are too insignificant especially during these times to have any sort of impact. But chat away if you want. I guarantee poker is more entertaining but go right ahead.

On a side note, I recognize the 'higherhighs' SN, but can anyone confirm that this player is moderating chat and still playing? Cause if so, the obvious play by seals is to have a chat hierarchy where higher raked seals can impose chat bans on lower ranked seals. People seem to care more about chat than poker at least for this site. More importantly, the "trolls" will go completely crazy and the "traffic" will likely go thru the roof. This thread was never a first page thread in internet poker. Then they gave one player the power to ban chat. Expand on that idea and the site will expand.

BLUESTEAL

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08-05-2020 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by LETIGRA
On a side note, I recognize the 'higherhighs' SN, but can anyone confirm that this player is moderating chat and still playing? Cause if so, the obvious play by seals is to have a chat hierarchy where higher raked seals can impose chat bans on lower ranked seals.
Confirmed.



So, the problem is not that there is someone moderating chat. The problem is that there is someone moderating chat who bans people they don't like and then makes up a relevant rule retroactively. The new rule is later added to the House Rules webpage. People who aren't even logged in are getting muted for chat infractions.

Even if HH wasn't playing, it would still be giving some players an unfair advantage by allowing them to use table chat when others at the same table can't. Table talk may not be part of your game, but it's still a legitimate strat.

But yes, HH is playing both ring and tournaments, and claims they are "crushing" the OFCp tables on the site while also having the ability to mute (and even IP ban) their opponents, which is awfully convenient.



So here, the same player who was in third place behind HH in the previous screenshot is getting chatbanned for the remainder of the current series by an opponent. Regardless of whether he broke a rule, it's a conflict of interest, no?

HH claims they aren't an employee because they aren't paid, but I don't see any other active players getting accounts permabanned. Super shady.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but HH is also doing the opposite of chatbanning players. HH is bankrolling certain players to grind so they can pay enough rake to meet the 500 krill threshold and chat. Clearly, the rules are not being applied consistently and it's no longer a level playing field at SWC.


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08-05-2020 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by marlais
Confirmed.



So, the problem is not that there is someone moderating chat. The problem is that there is someone moderating chat who bans people they don't like and then makes up a relevant rule retroactively. The new rule is later added to the House Rules webpage. People who aren't even logged in are getting muted for chat infractions.

Even if HH wasn't playing, it would still be giving some players an unfair advantage by allowing them to use table chat when others at the same table can't. Table talk may not be part of your game, but it's still a legitimate strat.

But yes, HH is playing both ring and tournaments, and claims they are "crushing" the OFCp tables on the site while also having the ability to mute (and even IP ban) their opponents, which is awfully convenient.



So here, the same player who was in third place behind HH in the previous screenshot is getting chatbanned for the remainder of the current series by an opponent. Regardless of whether he broke a rule, it's a conflict of interest, no?

HH claims they aren't an employee because they aren't paid, but I don't see any other active players getting accounts permabanned. Super shady.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but HH is also doing the opposite of chatbanning players. HH is bankrolling certain players to grind so they can pay enough rake to meet the 500 krill threshold and chat. Clearly, the rules are not being applied consistently and it's no longer a level playing field at SWC.

#1 Higherhighs has played every single BSOP event, and I don't think he's cashed more than
a single one. He's a complete donkey and I'm fine with him playing. Don't tap the glass.

#2, What is that discord? Can you add me? I want to talk to higherhighs to get me unbanned. I play a lot of HU PLO and chatting is quite useful
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08-05-2020 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ff6237
#1 Higherhighs has played every single BSOP event, and I don't think he's cashed more than
a single one. He's a complete donkey and I'm fine with him playing. Don't tap the glass.
I mean, the guy is a known cheater at Chinese, I think that is worth tapping the glas a little bit. It's proposterous that he is a chat mod instead of banned.
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08-05-2020 , 01:27 PM
no reason to play on swc for chinese lol, it's rampant with cheaters. I think there are 1-2 regs plus hh that use solvers, there are almost no ofc fish that play the higher stakes. But in terms of hold'em? mixed games? He is god awful
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08-08-2020 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ff6237
no reason to play on swc for chinese lol, it's rampant with cheaters. I think there are 1-2 regs plus hh that use solvers, there are almost no ofc fish that play the higher stakes. But in terms of hold'em? mixed games? He is god awful
Maybe he managed to eliminate his competition then, because he won the NLHE High Roller event yesterday for 0.2 BTC and is currently 3rd on the leaderboard:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...10#msg54956010
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08-08-2020 , 07:22 PM
Idk if I think anybody is cheating but it makes it look odd that somebody who has control on the site finishes high in a big tourney.
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08-08-2020 , 07:31 PM
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Idk if I think anybody is cheating but it makes it look odd that somebody who has control on the site finishes high in a big tourney.
I think there is no doubt there are cheaters at the Chinese tables, but I play hold em and I think it's fine. The problem is hh Is a ***

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08-09-2020 , 03:15 PM
Yeah I just play I don’t pay a lot of attention to the chat
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08-19-2020 , 11:41 AM
The action seems to have died lately. Very worrying times for SWC
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08-19-2020 , 12:04 PM
Action actually isn't bad, not much worse than what is normal. HH, the mod, is scaring off some of the big whales/players.
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