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Suspicious play on PokerStars check? Can anyone help? Suspicious play on PokerStars check? Can anyone help?

04-09-2016 , 04:40 PM
Not sure where to put this, yes Pokerstars security have been notified, no response in a week.

I play mostly mtt, and heads up. For those who are not familiar with turbo heads up, the game has really slowed down unfortunately, one lobby which is custom to have a group of regs during their sessions take turns sitting first and 99% of the time waiting 1-15 minutes, depending on the time of day, for a non reg to sit. Occasionally reg will sit reg but very occasionally, if two sit by mistake, usually a chop offer by one is aske and they shove first hand.

There is one player in particular who has stood out at a certain stake heads up with his highly unusual game selection, playing style.He joins any and all regs second, 5 tabling for whole session, if he does join an empty lobby first he will timebank his tables. To me, having played a lot of heads up and am familiar with almost all regs, even the best regs do not join or play in this style of sitting anyone with this volume. it just does not happen and stood out to me the moment I noticed what he was doing.To me, it seems like it may be a bot or some sort of funny account to drive that game,that stake, collect info on other regs to share or something along those lines. Anyway someone can check up on this? I don't want to reveal the name publicly out of respect. It just seems very unusual.

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Originally Posted by ThatsAGoodCard
We can't help if you don't give a name
Dealer: glorioustito, it's your turn. You have 10 seconds to act
Dealer: Regular time for player glorioustito has expired, TIME BANK hasbeen activated
Dealer: glorioustito, it's your turn. You have 10 seconds to act

Last edited by Mike Haven; 04-10-2016 at 04:01 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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04-09-2016 , 05:37 PM
So we've reached the point where not bumhunting is suspicious behaviour? Maybe the guy just likes to play poker.
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04-09-2016 , 06:55 PM
Players don't play over 55000 games for the love of the game. It's to pay bills. That aside, the main concern or thing that stood out is this player seems to be seemingly, intentionally driving games in a unusual fashion at .61 cents a pop. Nobody sit's 5 regs at a time, for love, and not with the current super nova exclusion.It doesn't make sense and I feel strongly merits looking into. All I asked was for it to be looked in to, and an explanation as to why/how this can be considered "normal"
You people want players like myself to play more, and to recommend fishy friends to play, this is why we don't. Games I like to play have things like this happening and it looks like bots or something unusual. Makes lack of trust!!

And this isn't traditional cash game bumhunting, the heads up sit and go climate is well documented. One reg sits first and waits to be sat. Other regs won't usually sit.There was/is/was the use of table scripts to help in this process. I am not sure if it still exists.
I have not agreed with this for many years and felt either more than one lobby should be allowed, or anonymous tables, seems like Pokerstars are ok with this type of environment where weaker players have no chance over time, but that is not the intention of this thread.

Last edited by kanadai Magyar; 04-09-2016 at 07:02 PM.
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04-09-2016 , 07:35 PM
seems like an expensive way to datamine
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04-10-2016 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
Exactly, I wasn't grabbing this from the air. His play is very suspicious. In any language and merits at the least a response from security how this is not a bot. At the very least he should be told to limit tables when doing this because he timebanks almost every hand and it's not enjoyable for him to ruin the fun of games when he or "it" decides do go on his "fun" spree.
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04-12-2016 , 10:31 PM
SNG 04/01/2016-04/12/2016 2,860 Opt-In $9.97 Opt-In Opt-In 61

3000 heads up games, raking close to 1300$ in 12 days of April and counting and this isn't a bot?!. If it isn't they should turn him into one, guy is a machine. Given sometimes I wait 10 minutes for someone to join me this is actually pretty incredible.

Last edited by kanadai Magyar; 04-12-2016 at 10:54 PM.
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04-13-2016 , 12:03 AM
I actually think a more realistic explanation is a shared account.
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04-13-2016 , 10:29 PM
SNG 04/01/2016-04/13/2016 3,152 Opt-In $10.36 Opt-In Opt-In 60

What tool is this player using since they are not a bot and not sharing an account, to play over 3000 heads up sit and go turbo games, which are a very slow game these days, in 13 days, thats an average of one game every 6 minutes.
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04-14-2016 , 01:41 PM
Still no response whatsoever from Stars? I can understand that they will need to carefully investigate any account that plays suspiciously high volume, but I would have thought they would at least confirm that "We are looking into it".
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04-14-2016 , 06:39 PM
Thank you for your email. I will do my best to address your concerns.

Please rest assured that we do not tolerate automated players (bots) on PokerStars. We have an extensive arsenal of detection tools in order to ensure that each player is a human being.

While I cannot detail each of the tools we use to make this determination (we don't want our methods to fall into the hands of bot programmers who will then use that information to avoid detection), at your request, we have conducted a review of this player’s profile, and it is PokerStars’ view that this player does not show any indication of being a bot based upon all the information we have available.

There are many dozens of PokerStars customers who regularly play the maximum number of tables at a time, which is 24 by default for cash games (this limit may be increased for players who are capable of handling more tables without slowing the games down). In addition, there is no table limit for sit and go tournaments, and regulars can be found playing on 30 to 50 tables at a time. Please note that we're well aware of exactly who these customers are (we have reports that show us this), and we examine all such players with the bot hunting tools I mentioned earlier, on a repeated and ongoing basis.

Massively parallel play is not by itself a reliable harbinger of a bot. There are reasonable explanations as to how players can play such a large number of games at once. Here's a video of Team PokerStars Online Pro Randy Lew ('nanonoko') that explains how he plays 24 tables at once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzhQIOFNhU

A high profile case was that of 'Boku87', a human player that in March 2009 took a $10,000 bet that he could turn $100 into $10,000 in 15 days, playing games no larger than $15 Sit and Goes. He hooked up a webcam to satisfy those who bet against him, and also posted videos of him playing 51 tournaments at once on YouTube. You can find those videos on YouTube.com under search key "Boku87". (He won the wager with 24 hours to spare).

In addition, a Russian player set an official Guinness World Record in November 2009 by playing 40,000 hands on PokerStars in 24 hours, all while being recorded by two web cams and Guinness observers.

Finally, in the most extreme case of multi-tabling we've witnessed, a German player by the screen name of 'rs03rs03' regularly plays over 120 tables, and was observed doing so in person for over 3 hours in order to ensure that no artificial intelligence was in use.

Many of these players have given up the mouse in favor of hotkeys or macros, so that they don't have to move the mouse and click. They just press F1 for fold, F5 for raise, F9 for call, etc... or whatever keyboard combination they've configured. There are quite advanced scripts out there that assign hotkeys to actions like "bet the pot" or "bet 2/3 of the pot", calculating what the pot is and adjusting the bet size for them based upon the key they pressed. Such hotkeys are not prohibited. You can find out more about which tools are prohibited and which are permitted (including a list of permitted software) at:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

Hotkeys were also introduced as a feature in the PokerStars client in October 2011:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room...-news/#hotkeys

Multi-tablers like this tend to overlap (or "cascade") their tables, rather than spread them out across the screen with no overlap. They rely on the PokerStars software to "pop up" or bring to the front the next table that needs their attention. With that many tables, though, these multi-tablers cannot respond to chat, even if they want to. As soon as they input an action on your table, the next table will be popping up, covering up the table you're at with another one requiring their attention.

Please note that there is no inherent disadvantage to playing against such players versus an equally skilled opponent playing only at one table. In fact, many believe that these multi-tablers give up a fair bit in expectation per table, but that it is worth it to them because:

4 tables at 3 BB/100 hands = 12 BB total
24 tables at 1 BB/100 hands = 24 BB total

Thus, they have made the decision to play six times as many tables, to win only twice as much. That they are distracted and cannot ponder close decisions means it is probably to your ADVANTAGE to play against such a player, as he's not giving you his "best game".

Again we thank you for your report. We will of course continue to monitor our games and should evidence of any prohibited program use surface in the future, we will be sure to take the appropriate action in order to protect the integrity of our games. Please do not hesitate to let us know any time you need anything.



Spoiler:
Well if Nanonoko can do it!
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12-31-2017 , 09:35 AM
Any news about this stars heads ups player glorioustito?
This guy seems so rigged, it makes me sick.
He has hidden his stats, but when I follow his result live he keeps winning, winning, winning, winning... almost 24/7, whenever I am on stars he is playing 4 or more tables.
Winning strange hands, like calling river all-ins with 6th pair ...
This account stinks, but they let him go on...
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12-31-2017 , 11:20 AM
glorioustito has been playing for years, I've battled him quite a bit back when I played those games.

He's using some kind of script that regs him for X tables, doesn't matter who sits. He plays very slow and very, very nitty, so it's pretty easy to grind a small profit against him. He probably makes his money from people getting fed up with him. Like you.

He didn't seem like bot suspicious to me at the time.
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01-14-2018 , 09:23 PM
ive got incredible respect for anyone that can multi table at that level. i struggle playing 8 full ring mtt's, let alone 24 cash tables ect.
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06-07-2018 , 08:25 PM
I have to say few of the people who play at pokerstars are pretty pathetic. Actually I am amazed how many idiots there are. I had to check out what was the fuss about me and I found this thread. Just LOL. I will be short. I never used script or software in my life...never. I am a bot? I wish. If u had access to PS database and see the hand history u would instantly shut up...if u are not really stupid. I play everyone when I want to. Regs no regs, it is poker, free world. It is good for my profit? Maybe not. I do not bum hunt. The problem is all of the regs think they have an edge on me...calling me donk, fish etc. Great. Good for them. I don't care. Actually I don't understand them. They should be happy to play an idiot fish. Easy money... no? So what is the problem regs? And the other thing they have accused me...sharing account, because there are times when I play more hours then i should. Well... I am just a maniac. Didn't u already figured out? PS already did a full inquiry. They didn't found anything because there wasn't anything to find. I ask them to do one more...but to share the details with everyone so for once and for all end this bull****. I see that there is a groups of regs who want to put me down. Too funny. Questions?
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06-09-2018 , 06:44 PM
If people accuse you of sharing or being a bot why don't you unblock your statistics and let them decide if they think it is possible to play the number of games.
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06-10-2018 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Glorioustito
I have to say few of the people who play at pokerstars are pretty pathetic. Actually I am amazed how many idiots there are. I had to check out what was the fuss about me and I found this thread. Just LOL. I will be short. I never used script or software in my life...never. I am a bot? I wish. If u had access to PS database and see the hand history u would instantly shut up...if u are not really stupid. I play everyone when I want to. Regs no regs, it is poker, free world. It is good for my profit? Maybe not. I do not bum hunt. The problem is all of the regs think they have an edge on me...calling me donk, fish etc. Great. Good for them. I don't care. Actually I don't understand them. They should be happy to play an idiot fish. Easy money... no? So what is the problem regs? And the other thing they have accused me...sharing account, because there are times when I play more hours then i should. Well... I am just a maniac. Didn't u already figured out? PS already did a full inquiry. They didn't found anything because there wasn't anything to find. I ask them to do one more...but to share the details with everyone so for once and for all end this bull****. I see that there is a groups of regs who want to put me down. Too funny. Questions?
respect for playing against everybody.

the point is, at least from my POV:

from 0 to 10, i'd give you a 6. you can beat beat the weakest regs, but you are being crushed vs the best ones.

i'm running like **** and in 50 games already got 10k cev from you. even having to share my attention playing another 2 recs.

i'd prefer not to play against you, def is impossible to reach the same ROI playing only recs and then having to make stupids battles with you.

if you keep sitting me, at least accept my rematches requests. sitting and then decline is one of the most disgusting things in regwars.

if u wanna some respect, respect first. if not, i'll be waiting for crush you as i'm already doing. but i have to say, i'm just going to play against you. then, focus will be 100%.
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06-10-2018 , 10:20 AM
Man...u run crazy good vs. me...every flip and cooler is yours. Is see u can't admit that.
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06-10-2018 , 10:28 AM
I really don't care what they say. I know i am who i am...that is enougj for me. But when spcspc and urasillyfool starting to follow my tables and accusing me of cheating and keep harassing me...that is disgusting. I talked to pokerstars few times...i contacted them...they said i am not doing anything wrong (duhh) and to give them the users names who are harrassing me.
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06-10-2018 , 07:46 PM
If you want everything to be open like it sounds you do why don't you unblock your stats then everyone can see for themself what you are doing can be possible with one person and is not a bot related account.
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06-12-2018 , 08:25 AM
I've checked your stats and in volume you have played 3 times the amount of the person in second place. That person plays 8 hours a day so I can understand the concern these players have over your account.
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06-13-2018 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ValterUFRGS
respect for playing against everybody.

i'd prefer not to play against you,
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Originally Posted by ValterUFRGS
if u wanna some respect, respect first.
I'd say he has your respect already, even if you don't want to admit it.
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