6 men left in a 10 man 'double up' tournament.

So, you pay $10 to enter, the top 5 all get $20.

Blinds 600/300.

Short stack moves all-in for 660 chips.

Everyone else has 1500 chips +

Big blind with 2000-odd chips FOLDS, rather than calling the extra 60.

I consider this to be softplaying and artificially influencing the outcome of the game. There is no reason whatsoever to click 'fold' there and 'call' has to be the only option.

If it's not softplaying, then Betfred poker are clearly not doing enough to explain the games to people, as anyone who understands the object of the game, would not be clicking fold there.

Surprisingly, Betfred couldn't care less, they take the 'we make money either way, do what you want on our site,' attitude.

Thoughts ?

You're jumping to conclusions without going over the other possibilities.

I think you forgot actions such as villain misclicking or unknowingly having autofold on..

Either of which would still be no excuse in my eyes. Still artificially influencing the outcome, which I would consider softplaying.

I don't think 'misclicking' or 'unknowingly having autofold on' are valid excuses for unfair play. Nobody could ever be charged with colluding if that was the case. Far too convenient an excuse.

ok sir

Hang him high!

I have played double or nothing and I didn't really like it because it is more of getting out of "bubble" and more chance for softplaying.

I'd just play @ SNG, MTT instead..

This fellow creates all sorts of weird threads usually about ipoker rooms, and is likely a fake troll.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...sioned-806209/

is just one of the examples but if you do a search on the threads he starts you will see his pattern. He also posts quite a bit in the rigged thread in the same manner.


Weird fake troll or just a really weird genuine clueless donk. At this point it doesn't really matter, but if you reply to him in a rational way he will latch onto you like a sucker fish (pun semi intended).

If you make fun of him he will simply reply in a sad, confused manner of someone who's feelings are semi hurt.

Proceed at your own risk if you choose to reply to him directly.

Monty has him nailed.

Monteroy, I'm sure the moderators are perfectly capable of deciding whether posts are acceptable, genuine, offensive, or whatever else.

Replying to a post, advising others not to reply, is not necessary. If you don't like me or agree with me that's fine, but trying to persuade others to follow your lead is just petty.

I've got as much right to post as anyone else, I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question, everyone can see that.

Your time at this site seems to have been almost entirely spent trying to convince people that you a completely clueless.

It's perfectly reasonable to point out your behaviour on other threads so that people at least know the caliber of person to whom they are responding.

lol just because they don't play the way you want them to, or optimal strat, doesn't make it soft playing as others have pointed out...

Do you not feel it's giving less than your all to win ?

I think it's artificially influencing the outcome.

[x] bad level

I agree with the fact that it can be pretty annoying when you are on the bubble and someone either because he is a fish or just not paying attention folds when he should call 100% of the time. Still, it is far from collusion or cheating if it happens rarely and does not benefit the same players. You just cant start disciplining fish for being stupid.

If that's the case, then I'd say the site need to be doing more to explain the games that people are playing.

A player folding there, obviously doesn't understand what he/she is trying to achieve in the tournament.

Yes. You must take on the epic task of educating every fish so this doesn't happen.

I think YOU'RE the dumbass.

Someone explain to me why it is the site's job to explain how to play poker well?

Not how to play poker WELL, just a better explanation of how to play the game AT ALL.

1st of all this is not softplay, you are under no obligation to call there.
Pattern of consistently calling others but not calling one specific player would have to be established first, to make any such claim.

Second, there can be plenty of resons why you dont always want to call in such situations, infact I often dont, when playing close to super turbos DONs on Ongame. Chips preservation becomes a major issue in case shorty pulls through, not to mention silly stuff recreationals do like going over pre or post flop, thus making the whole coop thing pointless or risky if you have to call them as well, while others now drop out.

I've seen this at the micro hyper turbos. They fold because they are just plain bad.

I've folded in places like this before and it was an accident. You are playing 25 tables, a table pops up and you see a player all in and you have 43o and fold, before noticing the stack sizes.

bad play

fatedtopretend - "softplaying" means INTENTIONALLY acting in such a way so as to help another player. If it was a misclick that it can't be softplaying.

You may want to have all people who misclick (especially in situatons where it ends up hurting you) be punished too. But you are kind of alone in that idea I think. And you should choose a different term besides "softplaying" to describe it.

Regardless, yes...the play looks suspicious and I don't blame you for reporting it. But it's not 100% a softplay (by the definition that most normal people use). I have made similar misclicks in that type of situation for example...and not realized it until after I had already checked the "autofold" button on my 72o without fully seeing the situation. It really does happen...especially by those who multitable of course.

Regardless, I enjoy your posts either way and you have successfully built quite the reputation in less than 200 total posts. Keep up the good work and I look forward to your next thread.

lol all his threads are about softplaying or some site scamming him

many people who play those stack 16 tables + and just click click click... probably didnt see it was only 60 to call...