Hi, sorry for delays, responses below:
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Originally Posted by anonymous3398
1. won't be able to get enough HHs (data mining is a ToC violation, and performing analysis based on single-player HHs is )
We do not data mine any site ourselves. We have been provided with anonymized hand histories after signing a contract and necessary NDAs with the operator.
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Originally Posted by anonymous3398
2. won't see info beyond HHs (IPs, timings, mouse click coordinates, etc. - and it is important in security investigations). What was the name of the guy who had stats and patterns so controversial that PS has sent a rep to his house to see him playing?
You are correct but remember that the bots today are not all fully automated. A significant percentage of the bots have a human controlling them all or most of the time. The human is there to insert the actions proposed by the "bot" based on preset algorithms. While we can analyse timing information (if provided), other information like personal details, IPs, computer IDs etc. are not used and will be left for the operator to evaluate.
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Originally Posted by anonymous3398
3. full anonymization won't work - and partial one ("we won't tell you the IDs, but will tell you that it was the same player in different hands") still raises privacy concerns.
Can you please clarify what kind of privacy concerns site providing anonymized HHs raise?
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
Just wondering if the purpose of this thread is for high volume players to have an official contact to keep sending suspicious accounts or is it not for that?
Yes and no. As we mentioned, we are ready to provide a few sample reports requested by reputable 2+2ers to prove our approach works. The sample reports will be provided if the requests meet certain reasonable requirements, e.g. sufficient number of hands etc. We will certainly ignore any baseless accusations.
But for now, the primary receiver of any suspected bot report should be the relevant site itself. This might change if we see sufficient demand for B2C reports.
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Originally Posted by coon74
Please name those operators if you're allowed to. That would be a good publicity for those sites as relatively 'safe havens'.
Currently we are not allowed to reveal our clients' names for variety of reasons. I do apologize for this. You mostly right about consulting part. But it's a bit different: we provide poker rooms with reports, their security department checks these specific accounts and then make a decision whether to close account or keep monitoring it.
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Originally Posted by coon74
If the operator doesn't provide HH files to players, then only the operator itself can give them to you. Do such sites provide you with full coverage batches of anonymised HHs?
Correct. Our clients provide us with 100% anonymized HHs periodically.
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Originally Posted by qwerqwer
I have a few questions
1. this will not be limited to NLHE bots, but to all games, who are tracked by tracking softwares, right?
Definitely. Our solution works for most games, but currently we are providing reports for NLHE only. As mentioned above, when we work for poker operators, they supply us with anonymized HH, if not - then yes, our approach is limited to rooms that are tracked.
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Originally Posted by qwerqwer
2. wouldn't your actions let bot owners make just one bot per site, so that you cannot compare it to other bots and identify it?
coon74 already replied to this part, but I also should add that we are able to detect player with abnormalities, it's just requires more effort to prove wrongdoings. We can also do cross network analysis to identify such bots on different networks.
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Originally Posted by qwerqwer
3. will you compare stats of bots from one site/network with other networks? i think it will improve bot identification.
Certainly. We keep a database of identified bot accounts and were able to identify legit player that played in different networks. Basically our "Overall distribution of legit VS bot accounts" already does this.
Looking forward for further feedback / questions.