Thats the rigtard reply to a well reasoned articulate post.

QFT.

The 'tards hate polite, articulate and well reasoned posts.

Gives them nowhere to hide.

I already have stars and FTP accounts. So, I can't use your accounts or it's multiaccounting.

However, you seem to have the statistical proof you need to prove they're rigged. You can probably even request all your hand histories from them. Then analyze them to show that you only win 10% of your flips. Assuming you have a decent number of flips then it should be all the proof you need.

I would assume they will be running the shuffle machines constantly and scanning in the order of the cards. Then they can just queue up the "decks" and use them as needed. Yes, it's exploitable if someone can hack their systems and get to the decks, but every site is exploitable if someone hacks them. At the very least they'd know all the hole cards at the table.

However, even with those machines shuffling constantly I'd imagine their business model is still way more expensive than the established sites. As their player base grows they need to add more and more shuffling machines. Can you imagine how quickly their backlog of hands would get used up if they had some of the Sunday tournament traffic stars has? lol

Is this site ever even going to launch? The original thread was in January 2009 FFS. I think the whole thing is just a super elaborate level.

EDIT: Just noticed its not open to US players. Sorry stephenmeares!

LG, see below

From an email I received:

You apparently have to register to watch the webcast.

For the poster who was inquiring about Stars RNG:

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/rng/...labresults.pdf

oh please oh please someone register and record that webcast for youtube. It's gotta have some good comedic value.

As a rigtard - i.e., someone who has been driven away from multiple online poker rooms because of continued questionable card sequences that defy mathematical probability principles, and can only be explained by deliberate manipulation of the software (cheating) - I'm interested in playing at any site that offers true third party monitoring of the deal, Nevada Gaming Commission style. It has to be a truly independent third party that has the power to investigate at will, and levy heavy fines if cheating is discovered.

Clearly this is difficult because of the international aspect of online poker and the differing jurisdictions involved. But with the mounting numbers of players questioning deal randomness at current online poker rooms, I believe it will eventually come to that. (This will no doubt take a long while to accomplish, so the current shady sites have plenty of time to continue to scam their braindead suckers). Any online poker company making strides toward true third party monitoring is heading in the correct, inevitable direction in my book.

Are you against independent third party monitoring of online gaming sites? What person in their right mind would be?

But ive never claimed poker is rigged

Lol, the "tards" yes very polite... maybe your a rigtard too

Obviously you didn't get the point of my post.

Get 5K players playing and the required # of machines to keep up with the demand for dealing will be high, 7.5K even higher.
The claim that you will be dealt from a hand that was generated seconds earlier (I said real time, and the claim on the web site is an attempt to imply this). I guess technically it would be true because even days/weeks/months can be expressed in seconds.

I sure would like whoever is posting from realdeal here under one of these low post count ID's to address this. Actually I really couldn't care less I'd just like something to laugh at while I wait for updates in the train wreck of a prop bet thread.

If you're so sure that you've seen rigging could you please prove it statistically? What person in their right mind wouldn't want to know that the sites are stealing from us? I definitely want to know, so please. Forget the Real Deal stuff and let's take down the current major sites first.

Bring it down! Bring it all down!

Same here, except my train wreck thread is over in
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...-god-theology/

I think they'll worry about that when they can get 5K players.

I'd guess at worst they need one machine per full ring table. In the off hours they'd just build up their queue more and more.

Webcast live at http://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/20316

any word on lanuch date?

heres a question for you shills.

you start playing on real deal and notice no more month long doom switchs or cash out curses , How does this site not blow up and get huge ?

Scalability issues.

They will need factories full of shuffle machines to become the size of stars.

lol poofinger, there are no doom switches or cash out curses on the current sites. It's a figment of your imagination, just like it will be when it happens to somebody on the Real Deal!

"By rigtards, for rigtards"

Please show your work.

Took a look at both sites, the .com and pseudo .net, you can download the .net site, but real money doesn't work yet.

Not impressed, didn't do the download, sites aren't rated yet as safe.

Bet (pun intended), they are going to have a difficult go with no US cash players.

Why hasn't the real money launched yet? They haven't set up sufficiently reliable payment processors for deposit and withdrawal issues. To be viable in the UK, they need to have received a license from a reputable regulatory agency. AND, they have to have that card shuffler (I mean pseudo fake non RNG shuffler) certified.

However, feel free to download and try the free money version. I don't usually do that without having sufficient time on the market (first was PartyPoker, then was UB - for years, then came Stars - last October, then came FTP - last November). Reading the threads recently - out with Carbon and Merge, Chili and IPoker, don't know about the Cake network (hudless intrigues me, but not enough to forgo safety and ease), am really not interested in starting up accounts there. Other sites are just popping up, and for me, don't bring the time will tell efforts to the table.

a question for the rigtards, then:

when you start playing on real deal and still lose to coolers and suckouts, How does this site not dry up and die?

For my part, I cannot wait for this site to open. Imagine a site that specially targets players that cannot face the possibility that they are bad players.

Wait, you didn't start playing on Stars until last October?

That would be correct. Hadn't played poker in awhile, just omaha hi/lo reg on UB. Then, won some money on there, cashed out, kept watching the commercials for Stars, decided to give them a try, made tons my first few tourneys, and that's the story.

A counter-question for you, troll: If no one's doomswitched on Real Deal, where does the money come from? It seems that absolutely no bad players play poker anymore, just guys beaten up by the evil sites, so what happens when all these greats move to Real Deal?

No money in Real Deal, everyone's solid.