+1 I thought it was a the agent who scammed me, however you seem to know that it was the club owner.

Well it depends abit. If you worked with an agent and he guaranteed your funds then even if he doesnt get paid it's his responsibility to pay you. So technically there are scenarios where I would tend to say that the agent scammed. Agents get paid pretty well and they can choose with which clubs they work so if club owner runs w all the money its not really ur problem, it's the problem of the agent who provided you those games.

In reality though things dont always get handled "optimally"

Population playstyle can also skew the numbers. Super loose players= more trips. Did you account for river % seen? Even if you did it still can skew it. Plus sample size...

Yea I agree that was kind of a stupid post by me.
I’m sure .001 doesn’t mean anything after 40k hands.

That's why I'm here. I haven't been able to get BS4 or Nox to work lately. Nox's problem is 'the environment is not secure', and BS4 can't detect my location. It seems like both are incompatible with PP

Is it possible to stack tables on desktop with the new multitable option?

Yes I would like the know this as well. Ever since the update last week that blocks more than 1 client being opened I have seen a few regs in my clubs still playing multi tables with their 3 different screen names, they seem to have not missed a beat. I am curious if there was a reason to run an emulator before if you were only playing 3 tables ? I guess my question is these guys clearly had this ready to go and I am wondering if they had it ready to go already because they needed it for a different reason like using bots or something ?

Does anyone knoww how to remove gps restrictions on emulators? Sometimes I can't sit down on some tables due to gps being close to others.
But we barely have any poker players in my country & I doubt anyone is playing on a single app.
So it's because the gps is being rerouted to some place (like australia or something) from the emulator

Anyone know a way around this new update?

Playing 3 tables stacked isn't ideal at all i dont see the isue with the old way of playing 3 tables,maybe this should have been a phone only update if thats possible?

We also were scammed by few PPP clubs

KingsMicro ID 70494 (Philippines) - stolen ~14.000$
Legends ID 600300 (Philippines) - stolen ~ 10.000$
GoPro ID 738679 (Brazil) - stolen ~11.000$

The main purpose of this post is to warn all the poker community that PPPoker representatives are behaving extremely inadequately and they are continually encouraging fraud. Also if you know some one of "heros" of this post - please contact me.

I'll try to describe to avoid advertising. (I've talked to moderators of 2+2 before, so have to hide some info). Sorry for my week english, i'm not native speaker.

All of these clubs go in same way - first they stop respond u for few days, ater they says - you have bots and then talking about some investigation and then keep silence.

I've talked to different affiliates/agents - looks like PPP managment says to clubs ban some admins, who won a lot and reccomend them stole money.

A bit details:

A month ago Philippine club, Kings Micro (owner of Rae Spine or Raeggae Dohg https://www.facebook.com/elrobo85) stopped responding to our requests. We had a Facebook chat group where we served our players' accounts and made requests for depositing and withdrawing of money.

See below the screenshot of all chat participants:
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On June 9, we made a withdrawal request for the amount of 100,000 php.
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The manager Abel Tagaytay (Ako Si Abel https://www.facebook.com/abel.tagaytay) accepted the request but after that all the club representatives stopped responding to us.

We tried to contact PPPoker representatives and also contacted Galina, Russian regional representative.
Later, we have also found contacts of Leo Ahn (https://www.facebook.com/wenkai.an.5).
As far as we understand, he is a representative of PPPoker and makes decisions on the Asian region.

Leo Ahn's logic is the following. He thinks that if i bring Russian traffic, it means i have only bots, not real players.

Therefore, we are undesirable for PPPoker, which permitted Rae Spine not to pay us our money and our players money in the amount of almost $14000.

We offered Leo to check our players for the game honesty. We offered several options, as large poker networks like PartyPoker.Bwin and Planetwin365 always do. However, Leo did not even respond.
See below our correspondence with Leo:
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We talked to all our affiliate friends. Everyone who had experience with Leo told that he had been behaving inadequately and he had a huge intolerance towards Russian-speaking players.

So if some of u have any connections in Philippine - please contact me pm.

After these issue - i've sent letter to every club i cooperate with. All of them told me - no problem, we stay for you, dont worry, money in safe

And after two week i found my admin account banned, and every palyer under admin were banned too. Insane. Thanks God mostly clubs owners solve problem and pay money, but two of them Legends ID 600300 and GoPro ID 738679 didnt. In the end they stole money too.

Few screens and links to facebook - DONT WORK WITH THESE SCAMMERS

Legends ID 600300
Owners
Khalid Estabillo Macalanggan
https://www.facebook.com/khalid.macalanggan
Andrew Roa Duterte Aseo (Ronnie Alonte)
https://www.facebook.com/andrew062113

Conversation after issue:
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after - no answer

So as u see - they guarantied us safety - but then stole money.

GoPro ID 738679 (Brazil)
Owner Eder Schaphauser Ziomek https://www.facebook.com/eder.ziomek
He playes on Stars, nickname: schaphz
https://www.instagram.com/eder.schaphz/

Union names Liga Premium 920

Conversation after issue
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after no answer


U can ask me -
1. So - do you have bots and thats the reason? - No i have not, could find tons of players/agens/affs in runet who could HV me. Also over 15 clubs were on my side and send back money w/o any question.
2. I know for sure - club's owner decide - to pay or to steal money. I have not any financial transfers with PPP management, but a lot with club's owners.
3. Some reliable clubs complain - PPP threaten to close them, if they mone a part of traffic to new application U-Poker.

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Hello does anybody here know the max rake structure a table can have?

Not sure where I’ve seen it, but I believe it’s capped at 5%. I forgot where I might have seen it.

Really? I feel like I've seen it rake more than that.

Are you guys aware of this? Does this mean GG to PPcardcatcher or nah?

Edit- Meant to post this in the PPPoker HUD Card Catcher thread.

Massive effort by PPPoker recently to get rid of any players colluding and using advanced software. Lots of agents and players thought to be cheating/gaining an unfair advantage have been banned, lots of complaints but if it means fairer games and less software I'm all for it. PPPoker is meant to be targeted towards recreational players so think it's going to be good for the community in the long run.

How do you know this to be true?
In the ppp card catcher thread freak daddy said u can still use the card catcher, doesn’t think they can actually catch you.

I can't seem to find this thread, can you link me?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...tcher-1730213/

Thanks Mike

I'm on UPoker (a PPP clone) and my agent is giving me 30% rakeback. I'm playing about 900 hands/day at 1/2 - 3/6 NLHE. Is that a good deal or should I push for more?

They have usually fixed deals there as in all players get 30. So unless you would make them insane amount of rske its very unlikely they gonna change this just for you bc it will be accounting nightmare to adjust for this. Not saying it isnt possible though

Thanks TImStone! If I was to make say $500/week rakeback from that 30%, any idea how much my agent would earn from me?

Pretty sure they just use a separate laptop or ipad to play multiple accts

Depends on 2 many factors. Rake is split by clubs, agents, potential sub agents and players. The better a club usually is the more tge club is going to keep

Maybe the best idea would be to become an agent myself?