Hi, new here, so I'm not sure yet if this is the right sub.

I've been playing 6+ lately and there's something that really bugs me. As some of you may know, in any given hand all players post an ante and only the button post a big blind plus the said ante to encourage playing.

Fine. But everytime you end a session (sit out), the software automatically take an ante from you for the next hand pot, even when that hand isn't in progress yet and even when you're never deal a hand to start of because... well... you already had left (!). So basically you're contributing to a pot that can never win, because you can't never play it in first place. So, for example, if you're playing 4 tables you're forced to pay 4 BB to leave, what a joke.

Can someone explain to me the logic behind this beside shamelessly draining $ from the playerbase? All of you can confirm for yourselves. I myself had contact support but only received silly and bad excuses.

Thanks.

Let's hear them.

If the money goes into the next pot, as you say, then how does it "shamelessly drain $ from the playerbase"?

Yeah, it's not like money not in play/non rakeable suddenly becomes money in play/rakeable, you know.

Money that should be in my cashier goes to pots that I can't ever win. Period.

I haven't played it yet but sounds like it rewards people who play actual sessions and punishes people who hit and run or leave tables after a few hands because they aren't on a fish's left. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with that? Being forced to pay for the right of leaving. Enough with how much we pay for the right of playing.

really? this happens? i have not noticed.

if its does happen, surely its a bug and not intentional, it seems a very high risk low reward way to essentially rake 1 extra ante. also, it would look really fkng weird if someone replaces you at the table before the next hand starts and now there are 7 antes in the pot. or are you saying that an ante disappears from your account without it even going to the pot that you cant contest?

ive been playing a bunch of 6+ so this really worries me

It's not a bug, can confirm. I asked them on my first mail to support.

And you can't know what happen in your table after you leave because you can't observe any particular table, but your antes are gone from your cashier, that's for sure.

Post your emails to them and their replies. Never understood why people fail to do this, especially when they talk specifically about the emails.

I gave up there.

Sounds good to me

Sounds like there's no problem if you just leave the table without sitting out and blocking a seat.

LOL
They should do this with holdem and PLO.

Every player ends his/her sessions the sooner or the later, paying x BB per x table. That's not the right way to punish bumhunting. I'm not bumhunting, I'm just ending my session, why should I be punished for that if its inevitable and universal?

You mean like closing the table without checking the 'sit out next hand' box? It's the same thing, at least for me.

This seems like a reasonable explanation to me.

But it's not for the other players. That's the point.

Yeah, this seems a reasonable idea, and ignoring the OPs dramatics about it, the details of how this works should be a bit more clear as the website says only the following about it

There may be a minimum number of hands that you must play before you can sit out or leave without incurring a time penalty. Time penalties are cumulative and should rarely impact most players. They are in place to deter players from attempting seat selection by repeatedly joining and leaving a large number of tables.

Odds are most players will not have a problem, but a bit more clarity is a reasonable request. How the OP goes about making his point it is sadly LOLstandard.

After 2 emails? Really??

So it sounds like you're saying that even if you close the table, it's your belief that they take the ante from you, is that correct? If so, you probably should have explained that in your next email to Stars, rather than giving up and starting a thread.

I think there's a lot of confusion in this thread between different ideas.

I find it difficult to imagine that PokerStars are deliberately charging an ante from players who are not dealt into the hand - from reading it above, it sounds accidental. From reading the posted emails, I have no confidence that the staff member understood the issue at hand (it is, of course, possible).

I think it's unreasonable to hold a customer responsible like this. They're customers, for goodness sake.

It's not my belief, you can't avoid being charged an extra ante everytime you leave, no matter how many hands or how much time you have played. You can check it for yourself.

And I gave up with support because they weren't of any help.

Dramatics? I play I pot, I pay an ante. I don't play it, I don't pay it. Simple, huh?

And this is not about 'odds', it's happening to the entire player pool. They're forcing us to pay an extra ante per table everytime we leave.

Maybe. I'll try to be more patient and contact them again. I really felt like they were being delusional as ****. I don't get this line as there's no way to avoid it:

If I don't wish to pay it there's nothing I can do, lol.

Leave when the hand is still in progress but you have folded?

Same. I tried all the options.

Your emails to them, much like your posts, are of very poor quality. While I am mildly tempted to email them in a professional manner to get the proper reply your screaming failed to obtain, in the end your sub-optimal personality leaves me in the position of being generally happy you are so upset, so no need to change anything with properly obtained information.



Shame you are incapable of asking them the question in a clear, professional manner to make sure this is actually the case, and if so why they chose this. I suspect that it probably is, and there will be a rational (<--- double meaning) explanation when asked properly.

As I said above, I am fairly meh about helping further simply due to how you present yourself as a human. Don't play the game if you do not like what happens in it.

All the best.