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Old 02-09-2011, 10:06 AM   #1
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PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 28th, 2011

PokerStars will no longer offer Double of Nothing Sit & Go Tournaments as of February 15th, 2011.

This is not a decision that was made easily as these tournaments have proven to be quite popular with players. However, after thorough evaluation, PokerStars has decided that the format needed improvement.

Newly introduced Fifty50 Sit & Go tournaments have been deployed to provide an alternative for players who have previously played the Double or Nothings. Fifty50s have many of the same attributes that attracted players to Double or Nothing tournaments:

Half of the players who enter the tournament receive a payout
The tournament ends when half of the players remain
There is no shorthanded play
They end quickly
They have low rake

Fifty50s differ from Double or Nothings in their payout structure. Only half of the prize pool is distributed evenly amongst the top half of finishers. The other half is distributed based on chip count, with each chip having an equal value.

This difference means that players always have some incentive to care about the size of their chip stack, whereas in Double or Nothings this was not always the case. This added element makes the Fifty50s a more skilful and, to many, more interesting format.

The value of each chip in Fifty50s also makes situations where some players may softplay each other less attractive than in Double or Nothings. Some forms of poker invite this sort of implicit collusion more than others, as the rewards are greater and costs are smaller for making such plays. The Fifty50 format is an improvement over the Double or Nothing format in this regard as there is always a cost for a player to make a decision that doesnt maximize the size of their own chip stack.

While it is understood that many players may miss the old Double or Nothing format, improvements and changes to game formats are necessary from time to time. While the loss of a familiar game format can be frustrating or annoying initially, PokerStars is confident that Fifty50s will prove to be a superior tournament format.

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The rake structure is different for Fifty50s than for DoNs. Its somewhat higher for Turbo Fifty50s than it was for Turbo DoNs at most stakes, but is lower at the $1 level. The rake for normal speed Fifty50s is significantly lower than it was for normal speed DoNs. The Double or Nothings offered rake that was in most cases twice as much for normal speed tournaments than for turbo tournaments. The Fifty50 rake is more in line with other PokerStars Sit & Go tournaments.

PokerStars is currently evaluating all Sit & Go offerings, including rake. The stakes offered and rake for Fifty50s are in line with the changes planned for all Sit & Go Tournaments on PokerStars in the coming months.

If players compare Fifty50 rake on PokerStars to the industry standard for similar Sit & Go tournaments, they will find that the comparison isnt close; the PokerStars rake is much lower.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:17 AM   #2
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

omfg <3 YESSSSSSSSSS lower rake in talks for all sngs love it gogog! 1 time
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:21 AM   #3
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

When do we get a proper reload bonus?
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:26 AM   #4
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:51 AM   #5
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Sigh this is probably only going to make the fifty50s reg filled and near unbeatable.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:53 AM   #6
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

13th ... I'm a cash game player, but am in favor of all formats that promote more skill and less cheating, so I consider this progress
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:57 AM   #7
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Will there be Omaha 50/50s and O8 50/50s?
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:58 AM   #8
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

oh boy, fossilkid wont be happy (unless hes been playing these new ones)
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:04 AM   #9
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

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Will there be (...) O8 50/50s?
Dream of my life, o8 players have the same right to be rich like all the others.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:08 AM   #10
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Good for Stars and good for Poker.

DONs are the worst form of tourney poker every created.(besides kamikaze)
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:15 AM   #11
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

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Good for Stars and good for Poker.

DONs are the worst form of tourney poker every created.(besides kamikaze)
Agreed but at least we can play 6max without fear of colluders as they are all playing dons!
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:20 AM   #12
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Love those Fifty50s
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:24 AM   #13
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Sounds great. Please add PLO games in the new format before completely taking down DoN.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:36 AM   #14
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

Add my vote for PLO and PLO8 50/50 games. Especially PL08 or NLO8. They would be awesome.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:42 AM   #15
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

It's always better striking for a better security department but instead they opt for dumbing down the game.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:46 AM   #16
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

This decision is irrevocable?

Waht happeds if many regulars players DoN go to another poker room?
I`m reg in 20,8$ I pay over 2,500$ rake i i will be never play fifty50 My PS nick is Krafter84
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:46 AM   #17
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011



imo
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:49 AM   #18
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

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When do we get a proper reload bonus?
LOL.. When will we be able to reload on Stars?? Lets see what works:

[ ] ECHECKS
[ ] VISA/MASTERCARD
[ ] Pre-Paid VISA/CARD
[X] Money orders
[X] Western Union but Stars will not absorb any fees, so you will have to offset deposit fees with reload bonus

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Old 02-09-2011, 11:52 AM   #19
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

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This decision is irrevocable?

Waht happeds if many regulars players DoN go to another poker room?
I`m reg in 20,8$ I pay over 2,500$ rake i i will be never play fifty50 My PS nick is Krafter84
Where are they really going to go? (USA players) FullTilt - LOL place is a joke, UB - no player pools, Cake - umm no...
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:56 AM   #20
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Where are they really going to go? (USA players) FullTilt - LOL place is a joke, UB - no player pools, Cake - umm no...
I can go to ipkoer im from Europe

On FTP are possible DoN games??
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:05 PM   #21
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I can go to ipkoer im from Europe

On FTP are possible DoN games??
No DoNs on. Tilt. Tilt has said frequently that they have no plans for these either.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:05 PM   #22
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

GOOD MOVE!
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:18 PM   #23
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

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This decision is irrevocable?

Waht happeds if many regulars players DoN go to another poker room?
I`m reg in 20,8$ I pay over 2,500$ rake i i will be never play fifty50 My PS nick is Krafter84
I don't think they care. I have complained about there not being cap games under .25/.50 and have stopped playing cash. I piddle around in the low stakes sitngo's now. Costing them around $1500 a month...Guess they will just cut someone from support to make up for it...
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:31 PM   #24
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Re: PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Gos, Effective February 15th, 2011

bottom line, any game that can be beat by a bot should be done with. I am glad they are doing away with these, and ss'ing for the most part.

:applaud;
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:43 PM   #25
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bottom line, any game that can be beat by a bot should be done with. I am glad they are doing away with these, and ss'ing for the most part.

:applaud;
What have bots got to do with DONs? Surely the main issue was collusion? And I'm pretty sure there are bots that can beat micro cash games and SNGs, so should we 'be done with' them as well?
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