I like it.

Thoughts Jeff?

I know people have been asking for this for years but Stars seems very against it...so I doubt anything will be changed. But this version solves some of the problems most would have with flipping the cards up for everyone to see

no

yes

agreed!

rebuy everytime you are allin.

Agree with all.

and

Please make it 1 hour for the ratholers!

This will affect the shortstackers though, so not sure if stars will go for it but I'm all for it and I like being able to buy back in for what I had built my stack up to 40 minutes ago.

Multi-Quote????

get rid of short stackers. its sooo ethically wrong i duno how these guys sleep at night

if you wana gay stack, go play sngs

I Dont believe for a second that the fish care one way or the other if their hole cards get shown, if I did I would be vehemently against having them shown, since it would obviously be -EV. I also dont give a rats ass if some data miner gets to record my hole cards 1 more time out of 300 hands, whoopee do.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FLIP UP THE GOD DAMNED HOLE CARDS!!!!!!!!! &$#%#&*$%(#*$&%!!!!!!!!!!


also, a real buddy list feature would be nice. Where I can see whos online and when I click their name it shows what table they are at, sorta like how it is for the pros. (please dont link me the software that supposedly does this, I already know it exists, I dont want to use it)

I dont want to see deep stacked tables, cuz I like the morons that buy in short at the limits I play. I would however like to see the rathole limit increased from 30 mins to say like 2 hours, that or make the min like 40bb, since I dont think it will get any less fish to play, but still thwarts the solid shortstacker

Auto rebuy to fullstack when I bust. Nothing tilts me more than not getting my rebuy done in time, and starting the next hand with the 20bb the software currently rebuys me for, and im already on tilt from not getting to see my opponents hole cards $@#%$#%!!!!!

THE DEFAULY OPTION WHEN TIMING OUT SHOULD BE "CHECK", seriously, thats like the basic level of common sense, this having not been fixed is insanely ******ed.

I would also like that if people who have their chat banned, when you highlight there name it says so (like next to their city or something)

Cake has a feature that I LOVE, when there is an all in at the table, all chat is disabled. That feature is so +EV its unreal. 1 it cuts out all the stupid Jamie Gold Hollywooding, and two (and most importantly) some ****stick assbag who isnt in the hand isnt able to try and demonstrate how intelligent he is by announcing "he obviously has a set, you should fold"

I never noticed that multi-quote button. Always wondered how they did that.
This can be confusing either way.

When two players are all in preflop, the dealers will sometime say, lets see them and players will turn them over anyway although they don't have to at the Dealer's request.

However, in all of the casinos that I have played in (25+) any player dealt in the hand can request to see a player's hand that went to a showdown.

sandviper - the fact that they CAN request to see the player's hand is much of why they let you see the mucked-hands in the HH.
The 'I want to see that hand' rule has been discussed ad nauseum in the B&M forum. It is only SUPPOSED to be used in cases of suspected collusion but that doesn't stop a lot of ignorant people from trying to use it just for information purposes although after awhile if it is clear there is no suspected collusion even that can be stopped at certain casinos.

I'm guessing you play a bit more live poker internationally. I've never been to a place where the dealer says "lets see them" in a cash-game all-in. Both players are all-in, dealer runs the board, the players either turn them up or they don't as is their choice. Most turn them up but i've been noticing more and more electing not to.
Dealer doesn't encourage this at all...at least not in most normal American games I've played in.

However, in all of the casinos that I have played in (25+) any player dealt in the hand can request to see a player's hand that went to a showdown... IF they suspect collusion, otherwise it's considered very bad etiquette and will get you punched in the face.

The only casino i've played in internationally was the Holland Casino in Amsterdam.

I've played in just about every casino in vegas, (thats where I normally live)
I'm not really talking about highstakes games, but in casinos like the Excalibur, the dealers are told to say, "okay, lets see them, like on TV"

I've done it a total of about 10 times in the last 4 years. In all cases it was a combo of getting information and tilting a player that I didn't care for at the table.

ok...good enough.
Rooms are allowed to have such a policy if they want I guess.
Just seems kind of unusual from my experience.

I want to play NL poker like they do the worlds largest card room, the Commerce. Please lower the maximum buy in.

sandviper - This would be a better topic for B&M I guess although, as I mentioned, it's been done a zillion times.
But the reasons you stated for doing it are not supposed to be valid reasons for enforcing the IWTSTH rule. I am against you doing this even 10x in the past 4 years and think it's pretty inappropriate.

Yes, in some rooms you are technically within your rights to do this. But most 2+2'ers think that if it is not collusion-suspicion related you should not be doing this...even if you think the tilt-advantage you might gain would be significant.
I am among the 2+2'ers who feel this way and I have never enforced the IWTSTH rule.

I guess Stars should rake $4 every flop too.

this thread is turning into less about the actual software, and more about adjusting the ethical/non-ethical style issues of Stars' policy. this is a bit of an off-topic rant, but:

showing cards when all-in is ******ed. i repeat, ******ed. the "benefit" you get from having a little peace of mind or whatever will be heavily outweighed by the negative impact of the weaker players (your customers) seeing that they're getting it in bad more often than not. keep the fish happy, imo, in every way. the idea that it's only shown to the players who are all-in doesn't make much sense either, as the fish will just assume that it's shown to all.

the shortstack/rathole thing is also an ethical issue, and while I don't necessarily mind shortstacking, the ratholing is horribly gross in terms of ethics and there is no reason why this shouldn't be changed. minimum buyin should be at pokerstars' disgression, but i feel very strongly against the fact that players are allowed to rathole (something that they would get murdered for in any live setting). 2 hours minimum, imo

KLJ - I agree although a lot of the software stuff does end up on kind of a fine-line so it's difficult to distinguish it all entirely.

But, as expected, I'll try:

The ethical and actual 'rules' stuff are different than 'software improvements' such as improving the wait-list stuff, eliminating seats from the table completely when unoccupied, allowing people to buy-in for their own preferred amount automatically without having to manually enter it every time, etc etc.

Changing the rules or policies for short-stackers or rat-holers as well as the cards-up thing aren't as much 'software' improvements. These are 'policy' requests/improvements or something like that.

The software-functionality people at Stars probably have no say in whether the cards get to be turned face-up in cash-games or not. It's up to other 'rules and policy' people at Stars to decide that and then THEY tell the software people, "we've made a chance in our rules...so you need to change that in the software."


This thread should be for the stuff that the software people can fix without them really needing to think about other ethical stuff.
i guess the request to have wait-list and occupied tables highlighted in different colors as well as joining waitlists for multiple tables at a time as well as auto-top-off or whatever can also be viewed as 'ethical' things as well because they are mostly going to be requested by massive multi-tablers who are looking to make their own lives easier.

But, for the most part, they are direct software improvements and not as much 'rules policies' I think.

+1 I think changing the minimum to 30bbs would be suficient, I have read what others have said about this topic and I think 30 is the perfect amount to let the fish play for free and really make it hard for ratholers to operate.

stop ratholing

this is one thing I liked about party softwarewise and stars should def. do the same

PLEASEEEEE FIX the hand history windows so there are similar to the full tilt hh windows, stars hhs are so hard to look at while ftp's has the a picture says a thousand words motto going.

I would like this too.