If it's a rule of poker, then why does Full Tilt not have this rule? lol.

Because FT decided to implement their software in a fashion that doesn't completely adhere to the rules. If you don't believe me, the next time that you are in a casino and someone either folds the big blind preflop after no one raised or decides to open fold at some point postflop instead of checking, make it a point to firmly insist to the dealer, and if necessary the floor boss, that the player in question is not allowed to fold and instead must check. In the event that they dispute your claim, kindly inform that those must be the rules since that is how the client software at Full Tilt Poker works. I'm quite sure that they will see the error of their ways.

Or you could just google "Robert's Rules of Poker" and look it up. Whichever you think would be most convenient.

Like MANY others have said already. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THIS !!!
I hate this about PS.

Scotty, I heard a rumor that stars was considering allowing datamining, is this true?

No.

Please give me an option to not bring up my internet window every time I accidentally click on Boris Becker's head.

lol, +infinity!

Wow, yes!!! I havent thought of this but I am surprised this is the first time this was mentioned, accidently clicking on some dudes face and having to wait for ie to load and not being able to do anything in the lobby for 30 sec is so annoying.

Not entirely sure about cash games but this is definitely not true in tourneys, it will fold you unless you're in a blind and have money in the pot .. pretty sure posting antes doesn't change this. I've had same thing happen and it infuriates me; why should I be penalized for playing 10 tables and paying 10 times more rake than I otherwise would be?

DON'T fold us after 15-sec when we're playing on 24 tables, it's not in your best business interest! Activate the full time bank whether we are invested in the hand or not, this is as elementary as common sense gets, we shouldn't have to post about in a thread on 2+2.

I don't even play on the fast tables anymore because of this stupid ****.

I can fathom no other reason than laziness as to why they haven't given us the options to change to both standard time (as opposed to this military crap) and to our own timezones.

It really is unnecessarily TIME consuming for someone who is not on EST to convert both the military time and time zone, especially when you've got only a sec or so before another table pops up when you're MT'ing. Add to that they give you both a registration time and table seating time and one might think they're going out of their way to tilt us right off the bat.

It does usually tell you in hours and min how long before a tourney will be seating, but unless it's same day the math on that isn't always simple enough to do instantly on the fly.

I can't even count the number of times I've screwed up start times, or had to check and recheck 3-4 times before I felt sure I had right time.

I lol'd at this but completely agree.

Tow more quick suggestions ..

I hope by now its apparent from this thread that you need a separate department dealing with mass multi-tabling issues. The people in it need to have a fair amount of experience playing 12-24 tables themselves since even the most intelligent people who play 2-4 tables would never understand the logic and utility of even 1/3 of these suggestions without long detailed explanations they probably won't take seriously since they haven't actually experienced any of the frustration we have.

Also one of the most annoying things for me when I'm playing a lot of tables is to have tables pop-up in urgency and freeze all the action on other tables for 4-5 seconds when the hand I've won on the urgent table is already over with. Occasionally I might want to know the result in big pots but the other 95% of the time it's just stupid .. by the time it yields to the tables I need to act on there can be as many as 8-10 in the que.

Have I missed a preference setting to fix this? I'm thinking I must have because it's so obviously a detriment to multi-tablers, but then so are all these other things.

Get a multi-tabling specialist to deal with all this stuff please. You're poised to lose a lot of business if you don't start making things easier on those of us paying you mass rake for mass tabling.

Dunno if this was mentioned or not but i think an auto rebuy to the max buyin option is needed, as well as auto reload to max buyin.

uh no, gotta protect fishes from blowing off junior's college fund by giving them prompts (ie degree of voluntary degeneracy tests)

not everyone is a soulless grinding automaton. you are atypical. kindly remember that.

This is just common sense, but I would really love to hear the reason for using military time. I mean, what possible justification could there be?

Re: multi-tablers

I have no problem with people playing 50 tables if they want as long as they don't slow down the games. When it is always taking them 10 seconds to act, then in my opinion they can't keep up. In those cases they shouldn't be allowed to play so many games.

If you can't play in tempo, then cut down on the number of games. 16-20-24-tablers are in the minority. It doesn't matter how much rake they pay. When the majority of players aren't playing anywhere near that many games, and they can keep up with the action, and they have to wait for the 20 tabler to get up to speed, is it fair to have to make everyone else wait while the multi-tabler catches up with the play?

If you aren't keeping up with the action then you should be playing fewer tables.

I don't have tables freeze the action for 4-5 seconds after the hand is over and really don't know what you're talking about.

Possible that you are clicking on that table specifically to keep the action there as you make your decision. And if you do this at just the right time you lose the cue of tables where action is necessary. So you need to go to the task-bar and find one of the action-tables highlighted in blue and click on that to get one of your current tables to start up again.

But since you say it's 4-5 seconds after the all-in is completed and then a table pops-up for you I really don't know what it is. It's either weird internet-lag that you're sometimes getting...or a table that was already at the front of the screen THEN got to a point where it was your turn and you mistakenly think it was a table 'popping-up' on its own. But it was just a table that was at the front the whole time and then when you finally took action on ANY table you started the cue all over again. Something like that anyway. But I definitely have never had an all-in and pot-shove-to-winner freeze the stuff on other tables.


The other possibility is that perhaps this is taking place at the same time as a Pokertracker import and that is what is causing your internet-lag.
If you have a PT import while 24-tabling and also check the lobby-cashier and also have internet-music running all at the same time it can really screw up your connection and cause lag on some computers...such as mine.

What you don't think sites make their own rules? Don't care what happens live in a casino. If Stars has a prompt come up (which shouldn't happen the first place) to ask you if you really wanna fold, that prompt should include the option to bet along with check or fold.

Ive tried to figure this out, but when multi-tabling, If we could somehow eliminate that extra click it takes us after we rebuy. When we rebuy and we are still in the hand if we could somehow get rid of that confirmation box that says "ok" that would be a huge help.
Does the "auto re-buy" only pertain to limit or what??
So, if we could make it a one click thing to rebuy that would be awesome or if I have missed something can someone tell me how to fix this.

This is why we don't play the fast tables, those of us who use our heads. If the rule is 60 Secs the rule is 60 secs. If the timebank operates when you are invested in the hand there is no compelling justification for not having it operate in every game you are dealt into .. assumming you aren't timing out like a donktard every third hand.

And before you start assuming that it's our fault for not keeping up, maybe you better consider all the ridiculous **** on Stars end--the popups and unnecessary urgent table prompts (and all unnecessary prompts and software lags for that matter) .. that **** us on a regular basis and force us to play catch-up.

The fact of the matter is Bob, in the beginning I may have been at fault for not knowing my limitations. I know them well now and you would be hard pressed to see much of a difference in my playing algorythms when compared to the average player. I would even go as far to say because of my strict hand selection and almost automated response for the vast majority of situations, I'm quite a bit faster than the vast majority of players multi-tasking or giving careful consideration to every hand and street. I don't even get timebank prompts that often and I've gone many long sessions without unintentionally timing out a single instance.

I do need to change my taskbar, which I haven't done yet owing to my lack of familiarity with Vista. No question, it would help with this but probably not that much; I'd still have to figure out almost instantly which table I was toggled away from and the rest would have to order themselves in the que same way they were before winning a bb so rudely interrupted my rote automation.

Nonetheless I'm not doing anything on my end to cause that toggling or whatever. The table forces itself to the front of the que for a good 4 secs to tell me the hand is over with, most of the time when I've been folded around to. This wouldn't be so much of an issue if I weren't cascading on one 19" monitor. In the cascade format I know of no way to go quickly and directly to the table of highest priority manually. Even if I had 24 windows on the taskbar it wouldn't be that easy, I'd have to choose from the 8-10 flashing.

there's a script for this, "Stars planner" I think. if I have time I will PM you directions for install. otherwise Dave can help you.

Again there's an AHK script for this. I believe it's in "Stars planner". The only reason I don't use it is that I like to buiyin short--yes I'm one of those *******s. If you buyin and reload for the max it works very well. I know you don't get the prompt when you auto-rebuy, but I think there might be a window when you initially buyin. I may not have had it configured right though. Or I'm "misremembering".

I'm kind of torn between wanting Stars to get on the ball and fix all these issues for multi-tablers, and having them keep their heads up their asses so those of us in 2+2 who know about the good work Dave, Chris and others are doing have a legup on the hapless recreational boobs who are lazy and totally dependent on Stars for their well-being.

I think PS should take a close look at all the AHK scripts. There's a reason they exist. There's a demand for the things and actions these scripts provides.

People actually find them useful and they shortens players actions. They speed up games and makes playing easier. Speeding up games makes PS money so I don't really understand what they are waiting for.

Sure, one could always just keep using the scripts but many doesn't know they exist or how to make them work. They also have a way of getting broke after PS updates.

Just integrate in the PS client what the most popular AHK scripts provides. PLEASE