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Old 02-01-2008, 06:18 PM   #1
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**PokerStars Software Improvement Thread***

Scott said to make a new thread for this.

The main advantage at playing at Tilt is players get to sit right in middle of the table. When you are multi tabling this makes a huge difference because you know exactly where you are and everything is balanced on the screen.

Also, it would nice to have a full cards option like Tilt. Sometimes it is hard to see you cards when you have multiple tables running.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:22 PM   #2
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Sit out next BIG Blind button please!! Also, first.

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Old 02-01-2008, 06:28 PM   #3
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Add step sngs like you have for EPT, but make them for cash.. ie. PArty....
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:34 PM   #4
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On cash tables when there are all ins please please please show the cards before board is dealt.
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:53 PM   #5
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I second Jimmy. I hate the mystery of going to the river when your only opponent is all in, not knowing what he/she has.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:00 PM   #6
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

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Sit out next BIG Blind button please!! Also, first.
I dont get it. I thought they already had this...


Also, as mentioned in the SNE thread, plz make CHECK the default action when you time out....
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:03 PM   #7
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

For the No Images Themes, remove player boxes on the empty seats in cash games. Make it like your tournament games. When no one is sitting there, have the player box disappear. So much easier to track the number of players at the table when multitabling.

If not that, at least make the empty seat boxes look different from the other player boxes, by darkening them or making them a different color.

It would also be good to do this for the avatar-enable tables, though it's not as big a deal on those themes.

How it is now:



How it should be:

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Old 02-01-2008, 07:06 PM   #8
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Unjoin all Waitlists button.


Something in the lobby to let you know which tables you are already on the waiting list for. Color coded maybe.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:06 PM   #9
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

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The main advantage at playing at Tilt is players get to sit right in middle of the table. When you are multi tabling this makes a huge difference because you know exactly where you are and everything is balanced on the screen.
So the 'sit in this seat' option on Stars doesn't do it for you?
You can sit in the same seat on every table on Stars for that kind of consistency.
Although I guess on 6-max tables you aren't able to sit in the bottom-center of the table like I think you can on FT. Doesn't bother me at all but I guess if that's the position you prefer it's an okay suggestion.


I think the wait-list stuff could be improved.
It shows a button to 'join waitlist' even if you are already sitting at the table which seems pretty stupid.
When I look at the lobby and see some high pot-avg's on some tables I have to go to each table in the lobby to see if I'm already sitting there or not. If you're playing 12+ tables it's not like I'm going to recognize the name "Niobe" as one of the tables I'm on.

Highlighting in different colors the tables you are already seated at and the tables you are already on the wait-list for would be really helpful.
Green line for tables at which you are already seated.
Yellow line for tables where you're on the wait-list.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:15 PM   #10
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

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Also, it would nice to have a full cards option like Tilt. Sometimes it is hard to see you cards when you have multiple tables running.
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On cash tables when there are all ins please please please show the cards before board is dealt.
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For the No Images Themes, remove player boxes on the empty seats in cash games. Make it like your tournament games. When no one is sitting there, have the player box disappear. So much easier to track the number of players at the table when multitabling.
All of these would be huge improvements.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:20 PM   #11
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

If Stars wants to preserve the sanctity of not having to turn up your cards when all-in in a cash-game then they could make seperate tables.
'Cards-up when no more betting' tables and having the other tables remain as it is would at least give some of the players the option. Those who feel so strongly about keeping their cards down when all-in could simply stick with the old-style tables.


OR, give a button that allows players to turn them up right-away or at any time in the all-in. The option under the drop-down menu in the lobby isn't nearly the same thing.

I too would like to see what the deal is when all the chips are all-in.
If my KK is up against an AA then I might as well try to get in that re-buy right-away before I get sat-out.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:38 PM   #12
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Add an option to move to a different seat at the table if a spot is open. Sometimes I'm at a great table with a bunch of loose donks, but I'm OOP against them and want to sit on their left without having to leave, rejoin, and sit in the new seat. Obviously I'd have to post an extra blind or sit out an orbit, but I'd like to have that option.

Have an auto-add chips option that refills my stack every time I go below 100 BB. Having Stars Planner makes reloading less tedious, but I'd still like to not have to manually reload at all.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:51 PM   #13
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

I think one of the bigger errors in the PS software is in the limit games.

Example: 5/10 limit. Blinds 2/5. Player A has $9.50 and open raises all-in UTG. The next players options are fold, call or raise to $10.

A 50 cent 3-bet just isn't the right option here. If the all-in raise is > or = to 50% of the correct bet, it should be considered a full bet and the subsequent players should be given the option of a full raise (in this case to $14.50) not the option of completing the bet.

If the all-in bet is for less than 50% of the correct bet, THATS when the next players raise option is to complete the bet.
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:54 PM   #14
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Improvements to be made:

sit out next big blind button disappears, it should always be available
(although this is prob a marketing scheme to get us to play more orbits when we want to leave)

Ratholers only have to wait 30 minutes before re-joining a table with the minimum buyin.
This is clearly against the code and spirit of the game. You obviously could not do this in a live game repeatedly day in and out without threat of serious bodily injury. Why does stars support unethical behavior?

Timing out last to act should be a check, not a fold
seriously
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Old 02-01-2008, 07:57 PM   #15
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Also a close all tables or sit out enxt hand on all tables would be great. When im 12 tabling and need a piss or something I have to try and sit out of all tables before i go then sit in again after.

I could also put a bottle next to me but the sit out all tables option would be better imo.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:09 PM   #16
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

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So the 'sit in this seat' option on Stars doesn't do it for you?
You can sit in the same seat on every table on Stars for that kind of consistency.
Although I guess on 6-max tables you aren't able to sit in the bottom-center of the table like I think you can on FT. Doesn't bother me at all but I guess if that's the position you prefer it's an okay suggestion.


I think the wait-list stuff could be improved.
It shows a button to 'join waitlist' even if you are already sitting at the table which seems pretty stupid.
When I look at the lobby and see some high pot-avg's on some tables I have to go to each table in the lobby to see if I'm already sitting there or not. If you're playing 12+ tables it's not like I'm going to recognize the name "Niobe" as one of the tables I'm on.

Highlighting in different colors the tables you are already seated at and the tables you are already on the wait-list for would be really helpful.
Green line for tables at which you are already seated.
Yellow line for tables where you're on the wait-list.
The problem with the seat me in this seat option is that if I'm 8 tabling across 2 monitors and I'm seated at the bottom right tables, I tend to neglect the tables on the right side of my second monitor. Vice versa if I put myself in the bottom left table. This even happens if I'm playing on one monitor.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:20 PM   #17
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Also a close all tables or sit out enxt hand on all tables would be great. When im 12 tabling and need a piss or something I have to try and sit out of all tables before i go then sit in again after.

I could also put a bottle next to me but the sit out all tables option would be better imo.
_dave_'s starsplanner has this ability. I'm too lazy to find the link. It's in the software forum.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:30 PM   #18
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Either have an option to auto top up the stack to max (or whatever you choose i guess) or a one touch option.

If not that, then dont have the table pop up and steal focus when im in the stack top up page, today i raised when i meant to add on to my stack.

Speaking of which, stop the tables from stealing the curser when it pops up - its a real pain to write notes/use IM etc when multitabling because of this.

When your waitlist option comes up, dont have it attach itself to whatever table is in focus. When playing in cascade mode you will often lose the option to take the seat because its lost in the stack when the next couple tables pop up.

Dont have the site auto update itself to remove none standard image mods every single time you use the update program option - i want to just open the site and either it finds a fundamental update or it doesnt, i dont want to lose my image mods every time (i know there is a get around by not loading the updater and just open the program itself, but there shouldnt need to be a get around).

When playing tourneys there is absolutely no reason why the lobby needs to pop up when the game starts. If i want to see the lobby, there is a huge button on the table for that purpose.

The waitlist sucks, but we have been told before we wont get a better one for some anti multitabling reason or something.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:43 PM   #19
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

Agree with the rebuying stuff.
It takes several unnecessary clicks to rebuy.

If I rebuy mid-hand or something then I always get the damn disclaimer that I'll get my chips when the hand is over. I already know that. Why do I have to be told that EVERY single time? A check-box to never see that announcement again would be nice. Or just give me the announcement yet again without me having to click 'ok' every single time.
It's really annoying.

Same goes for when I join a 'fast' or 'no all-in' table. I have to click an extra box every time I sit at one of these tables. I just want to be able to sit at the table and be able to re-buy without having to click 'ok' on every single announcement that I have literally gotten thousands and thousands of times now.
I would think that after a few thousand times of getting, and mostly ignoring, these announcements I would understand what is what and Stars could stop telling me and making me click an 'OK, I understand' button.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:50 PM   #20
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

I agree with a "sit out all tables" button, for those multi-tabler's who need the occasional bathroom break, and don't want to piss in a bottle.

Also, showing the cards when both players are all-in in a cash game seems like a no-brainer. I need to know which two outs I need to dodge to win the pot, instead of being tortured and waiting until the hand is over.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:07 PM   #21
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Unjoin all Waitlists button.


Something in the lobby to let you know which tables you are already on the waiting list for. Color coded maybe.
Id like an option where I can drag down over a bunch of tables and join all there waiting lists all at once, as of now I have to join talbles one by one and it takes forever.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:09 PM   #22
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On cash tables when there are all ins please please please show the cards before board is dealt.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Add an option to move to a different seat at the table if a spot is open.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:10 PM   #23
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_dave_'s starsplanner has this ability. I'm too lazy to find the link. It's in the software forum.
Ive used it and it doesnt work to well.

"If not that, then dont have the table pop up and steal focus when im in the stack top up page, today i raised when i meant to add on to my stack."

there is an option in the lobby under multitable options to turn that off

Microbob said
"Same goes for when I join a 'fast' or 'no all-in' table. I have to click an extra box every time I sit at one of these tables. I just want to be able to sit at the table and be able to re-buy without having to click 'ok' on every single announcement that I have literally gotten thousands and thousands of times now.
I would think that after a few thousand times of getting, and mostly ignoring, these announcements I would understand what is what and Stars could stop telling me and making me click an 'OK, I understand' button."

use the stars autoreloader u can find in this site, it reloads and closes those boxes, there are a ton of other scripts u can use there to, I use 4 of them and hate not using them now

http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.cgi/AutoHotKey

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Old 02-01-2008, 09:26 PM   #24
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

if i could only have one thing, it would most definitely be:
higher minimum buyin (at least 40BB, 50 would be practical and kind of nice)

if i could have other stuff:
take care of the ratholing: 30 minutes is really, really ridiculous, and i really don't see a reason why this number was chosen. the only people who would ever complain are the people who rathole their stacks, which is extremely unethical. obviously anything more than 30 minutes would be nicer, but i don't see a reason why this shouldnt be 2 hours at the minimum (and who this would negatively affect).

ability to highlight multiple tables at once: (using maybe shift or control, like when you select files) and joining the wait list at one time.

i have fairly strong feelings about showing the cards when all-in though, i think it protects the weaker players (because they don't have to turn up a losing hand), and this is how cash games are run.
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:33 PM   #25
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Re: **OFFICIAL Stars Software Improvement Thread***

There are scripts (Free) to do a lot of the trivial requests in this thread. Try them.

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i have fairly strong feelings about showing the cards when all-in though, i think it protects the weaker players (because they don't have to turn up a losing hand), and this is how cash games are run.
As do I.

FTP is wrong, Stars as usual does things properly. I have no idea why people are so obsessed with the totally irrelevant information of what your opponent has in a cashgame when allin, can anyone explain *why* they want this?

All-In, reload, on to next table imo.
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