I don’t understand your angle here. It seems like your trolling me to be honest. If you had some ability to help you would / could have PM’d me and asked my username and such.

But you argue semantics of my posts.

Here’s my story ok?
My account was frozen, after ten years of playing in the same house and situation, such as my Uncle here as well.

I emailed them “Hi, my account is frozen, can you tell me why and please correct this”. Straightforward, and is literally all there is to say. To digress, it’s odd they would freeze my account and ask me to email them. One would think the act of freezing ones account would be accompanied by some communication as to the details.

I’ve gotten one reply, that I’ve copy and pasted. No reason given for freezing my account then closing other than some “random” screening process.

I’ve added the only issue I can fathom as an issue with 2 players in the same house. And upon reading the post about the “recent legislation” in Washington state, I realized my VPN May be related.

All this speculating and back and forth would be pointless if PS simply told me why they decided to close my account. Without that, it’s seems very probable the ‘reason’ is bogus.

I’m not here to make problems, so if your just curious and want to try and ridicule me, please roll your eyes and move on.

What is your other 2+2 username(s)?

What is your Stars username?

This thread is pointless as OP will not answer simple questions for and is argumentative with anyone here trying to help him.

Thread closed.

And OP, in case you're at all confused about why people think you aren't answering questions and are being argumentative:

• pmarr has helped get to the bottom of many situations for people. He's asking for all the emails because sometimes people miss details, whether by accident or intentionally, when explaining their situation.
• You were asked, multiple times, to post all the emails. Not just Stars' email(s) - all of them. If you don't think you should post yours, just say so. There was something like a 10 post dance back and forth on the issue that never needed to happen.
• At one point, you said there was nothing more to the story - then several posts later, a VPN comes into it. This is why people ask you for details; sometimes even you're not going to know what details are important.

PlayD0h

Just in case you still want people to try to help, and will provide the information they need to try to help, I've reopened the thread.

Any updates?

30 posts in this thread and I still have no idea why someone buys $140 worth of play chips. Don't they give those out for free? I know everyone hates pokerstars now and their new rake structure, but paying for play chips that have no value might take the cake.

PS are scammers so stay away is my advice. They closed my account and won’t give me a real reason, just some lame ‘your account didn’t pass a random security screening’.
Ya, ok then. Funny how I get picked for a random screening right after I make a large deposit. And even that my account would fail any security screening is a joke.

You informed me that you chip dumped to another account

lol, you just have a need to try and make me look bad don’t you?
I never ‘chip dumped’ and never informed you I did. I did tell you I played a loose game against my uncle and essentially let him win a few hands. Nothing fraudulent about losing a few play money hands.
Thanks for all your help, or wait, you never could help. You just needed to try and pick me apart, and felt I should answer your questions just to satisfy your curiosity while implying you had help to offer.

It's incredible to me that they take play money game integrity more seriously than some of these sites do for their own real money games.

Only since they started selling chips, IMO. Now it’s just another way to fleece you.

chipdumping play money lol

Play money chips have an intrinsic value, and now that PS sells their own Play money chips, they set the market value, in a sense. Any day of the week you can buy $230 million chips for $100 USD. For PS its printing money.
But if someone was attempting so sell chips as they did in the past at $20 USD for $1 million, and made a fair amount of return on work. Yet if you were that good you could make $2000 real cash with the same effort.
Yet If I was going to sell $230 million chips, for $80 USD, its a complete waste of time. You could go collect cans and bottles and make more money for your time. And eventually you will get busted.
So for PS to even take time with security of Play money chip dumping screening almost pointless. Who's doing it? Now if your not being level with people, and ok with that, then busting people for Alleged this and that, then your printing money, getting paid for it, then taking the money back.
Yet its killing the golden goose.
There fore it makes no sense at all why PS would ban my account, even if I was chip dumping once. Which I wasn't. I have the right to win and lose, when I wish. Their my chips, and I'm not being fraudulent and trying to trick anyone just playing my uncle at a table once, with only us there.
I think I've finally found someone at PS who feels a refund of my chips is warranted. You don't kick someone out of your casino, and take the money out of their pockets as you show them the door. You can take their chips and charge them with fraud and theft if you have evidence.

Either way their action has only hurt themselves. Me and a handful of others are now staying away from PS, and my story will certainly put doubts in the minds of others who read it. 500 have already read my review on one site.

I don't think so. Maybe if they were actual physical chips, they would have an intrinsic value equal to whatever amount for which you could sell the material out of which they were made if you were to scrap them. But I don't know about digital play money chips. I would think you mean the opposite of intrinsic.

English only lol

So basically, your argument is that...

a) Play money chips clearly have some sort of monetary value.

and that...

b) Chip dumping play money chips should be allowed because play money chips have no monetary value.

and that...

c) Stars is scamming everyone because they don't allow both a) and b) to be simultaneously true.

The intrinsic value is the actual value of a company or an asset based on an *underlying perception of its true value* including all aspects of the business, in terms of both tangible and intangible factors. This value may or may not be the same as the current market value.

In other words it’s has a real monetary value, it’s just it’s Value is variable, and not directly correlated to what it was purchased for.

Is it illegal and against PokerStars TOS to sell play money for real $ and then buddy transfer it?

You seem to be using a finance term "intrinsic value" which is the "actual value" of a "business" or "asset" as determined by a certain methodology rather than such business or asset's market value.

If one is to determine that the intrinsic value of a public company is greater than the value at which it is currently trading in the market, then one could conclude that it would be good idea to purchase such stock.


I don't think digital play money poker chips that are used as game pieces in the games run by a company and played by its customers are really the right sort of thing to be using the finance term "intrinsic value" for.


Read the rest of the investopedia article that you posted the beginning of.




But none of this really matters and I guess it could get pretty semantical with definitions and such and I am no expert. So, never mind.

Honestly people not being forthcoming in their threads should just be banned or something. The OP has annoyed me so much I don't care if he gets his account unlocked or not.

Hypothetically though, I think if you buy 140 freaking dollars of play chips and give some to your uncle, that should not warrant a closing of your account and a forfeiture of your silly fake playmoney chips which you spent a bunch of real money on. Maybe a warning or something.

It was fun watching you try to use big words that you don't understand while writing all that incoherent gibberish.

Thank you for your opinion, and I couldn’t agree more.
As to my aggravating you, I’m not sure what I’ve done other than defend myself to warrant that. When PS emails to me don’t give me a reason as to why my account was closed, there is no reason.

I don’t owe anyone every detail and nuance of my communications or playing history. It’s amazing how people demand information from me, when I’m the one who’s had my money taken and given NO reason as to why.

I’ve given what I believe is the only possible reason I can think of, and it’s pathetic if that’s the actual reason why my account was closed. I couldn’t care less if my account is opened, since I’m not going to play there ever again.

As to my financial vocabulary errors, is that really important? Was my point that play money chips have value, which isn’t the same value as they are labeled Value not elaborated?

Jesus Christ, is everyone a troll here? Mocking me, or dissecting my grammar only makes you look like a fool.

Lol, noticed that the OP conspicuously failed to respond to this one.

There's a reason people commented on your poor writing and misuse of terminology. When you finally got around to presenting your argument, your post was indecipherable. Sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts.

Anyway, we can all agree that being busted for chip dumping at play money tables is uniquely entertaining, so thanks for that. Perhaps the mods could present you with a custom undertitle as a sign of our appreciation.