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Dylan

Look up literally 2 posts

I am posting here to report an incident that occurred a few days ago.

A recreational player came to a 10/20 PLO table and said that he would only play heads up. Since there were 4 people at the table including him, everyone was wondering who he wanted to play heads up with. Everyone except me sat out while this chat was going down, god forbid you have to play a few orbits while the rec sits out. He eventually said that he wanted to play me (wonder why).

At this point, the player 'Ric X Flair' decided that he would honor the recreational player's HU request, as long as his opponent was anyone other than me. So if the rec player chose him or the other player at the table, he would honor it, but wouldn't honor it if he chose me. The rec player made it very clear he was not happy that this player would not allow him to play HU, and left without playing.

Firstly, I've honored this player's HU requests before. Second, this is the second time he's done this to me (the other was on WSOP about 2 weeks ago). Additionally, during both of the chats that transpired, he blatantly lied to try to sandbag me. In the first incident, he told the recreational player that I "am known to cheat", despite not having a single spot or even accusation on my record. In this incident, the rec player left without playing, and I have not seen him online since. In the second incident (on Stars), he told the rec player that I just slowrolled him, and the hand he referenced was a hand where I bet the river and he called. Two baseless lies.

His behavior regarding me stems entirely from the fact that I frequently do not let him hold lobbies. Given that he is a very bad player, especially heads up, I will always sit tables he is trying to camp at so if a game runs, I can make sure I'm in it without having to pay attention to the lobbies. This is normal since the lobby is king of the hill-esque, and I'm always the one sitting in while others sit out.

In addition to these two incidents, this player is the single biggest offender of camping. He is constantly sitting out at tables with 3+ players, with no intention to play unless a big rec player comes. He's willing to play basically no one HU and basically no competent pair 3handed, so he has no business in the lobbies and yet is always there breaking the rules. He's also told many people in the chat my real name (first and last) despite it being out of line, and despite being asked not to do it, and has been abusive/racist in the chat, calling me "jew" etc.

I wanted to point all of these things out because this behavior is so despicable. This player is so consistently out of line that he needs to be called out. Based on the blatant lies he's told, outing my real name, and making bigoted, abusive attacks in the chat box, it's pretty clear his chat privilege should be revoked for a long time. Additionally, his blatant and consistent camping needs to be stopped. I understand that not honoring a HU request is not against the rules, but in this case it is clear the request should have been honored.

I encourage others who saw this happen to post here, and I hope he responds (don't know if he has an account here).

Cliffs: this incident shows the necessity for HU tables, so when rec players want to play HU like this, they can. Additionally, his abusive chat/camping merit disciplinary action.

I witnessed this and can confirm 2shae's story. "Ric Flair " throws racial slurs all the time toward Jews. Using other terms that I wont type here.

When a player asks for Headsup he will say or do anything not to allow anyone but himself to play headsup vs the recreational player.

Telling a recreational player that his opponent is cheating is is standard response This is horrible for everyone who plays poker and the poker sites themselves. Online poker doesn't have the best reputation and calling people CHEATERS in the chat CANNOT be acceptable .


These accusations have no weight other than " Ric Flair" being angry the recreational player is playing someone else Headsup.

At first I was gonna say something along the lines of "well they aren't HU tables so he doesn't have to let you play" but if he's falsely accusing you of cheating then that absolutely needs to be addressed by Stars imo

Abusive chat is one thing, but really, the rest of it is complete nonsense. Do you think stars or anyone else cares if another reg is thwarting your attempts to isolate a fish on your own 6 max table? I can assure you the answer is no, except for maybe your bum hunting friends.

I didn't try to isolate him, it was him that asked for heads up. I was more than happy to play 6max, but he made it clear it was heads up or he was leaving.

And I wouldn't have even brought this up if not for all of the things in conjunction making him the most scummy reg on the site.

I would just stay strong and force him to play 3 handed with you and the rec or huhu with either.

I'm not high stakes but I'm limit holdem and omaha hi low low stakes so I can relate to a ton of 2 and 3 handed chat issues.

Things are more intense huhu and 3 handed and peoples' level of anger might be higher.

I've had racial slurs screamed at me in chat when I literally only won like $70 off a guy.

I will never report their chat to stars though. I'm sick in the head I guess. I love feedback that let's me know that I'm doing it right. And I kinda feel sad for them and how upset they are getting over what is after all a game right??

stay strong you''ll kill the games i'm sure or at least make more than me...

he obviously sat out when the rec sat out. Was pretty blatant about it. Even while the rec was still at the table.

Would just report him to Stars about the abusive chat.

I don't think the requests to honor heads up or anything like that really have any importance to the story. Seems to be clear you shouldn't honor his heads up matches if he won't honor yours. Yes I know you want hu tables, but I think it's been asking for numerous times and given that Stars has mostly taken them away on .com I can't imagine we get them here. Even if we did, it'll be zoom, and then everyone can join and play. So yeah

Finally, regarding the table camping, to me this shows how badly we need table stsrters in nj. There are plenty that will play 4 handed but not 2 or 3, so having some table starters would be really nice to get some games going with those willing to play.

Oh and I wouldn't mind seeing zoom hu run, would be fun

+1 for a zoom hu pool. . (yes add another fish to the pool)

im not opposed to playing 2 handed to started a game. plus i know it doesnt stay hu because im labeled a fish or am not recognized by the regs with seating scripts and such so they seat me super quick thinking easy money

its amazing how fast a table fills up when i sit an empty table or hu at any stake. it is almost instantly on any site. which shows me many people are using seating scripts. its simple too fast for them to be just watching the lobbies and decide to sit at the table with me. sharks/bumhunters dont realize for people like me their tactics force me to play cash games like hit n run at times especially at higher stakes and be gratefull for what little money i do get. i know their tactics and can recognize when im being hunted by a bunch of pros/regs fighting each other for my money. its hillarious because they dont realize my 10-20$ they r fighting for is a small almost insignificant factor to their bottom line but that 10-20$ of theirs thats so small and almost meaningless to them does me so much good. heck i even mess with the sharks fighting w each other for my money. its hillarious to watch

What about telling the biggest rec player on a site not to play me because I'm "known to cheat". A chat ban (if he even gets one, which I doubt) would not be enough. I believe this goes beyond the abusive, bigoted chat. He's doing extreme damage not only to me but also to the site by saying ridiculous things like this.

The problem in general is there are so many regs who are complete lowlifes as human beings. Melad and Gio are the two worst but it's more of a systemic problem, perhaps related to the fact that we're located in what is the ******* of America known as New Jersey. People who think it's okay/normal behavior to call someone "jew" "****" as an insult, among other things, including threats of violence, wishing death upon me. (The ironic part here is I'm not even Jewish)

I mean I get it, they are both miserable ****ing people, but the site needs to do something to clean up their behavior. I have reported Gio's racist chat numerous times and he hasn't so much as been chat banned. The thing is I can just mute his chat, and I have done that, but I've witnessed him call a very big losing rec player a "kyke" at least a handful of times, and also telling another rec player to "drop dead". You don't treat anyone like that, but especially when this is someone that allows you to make a living!! This **** isn't funny, you seriously need to be a miserable piece of **** human being to think this type of behavior is acceptable. I mean thank God Gio is already banned from Stars so at least there is one site on the net where recs and regs alike don't have to deal with his incessant drivel.



I would rejoice if we got zoom HU tables, but regardless of the need for them or table starters (which btw was a huge failure in their bigger player pool), the need to enforce camping rules is irrelevant to that discussion.

If he sits out good you got the table. I think the chat is silly and don't worry about it. Calling you a cheater is not against the rules right?

I guess I just don't see the angle shoot/breaking of the rules t&c etc.

Lots of people will accuse you of cheating if you are a winning player. If anything, the recs see thru their drivel and want to play you more.

Looking further into your posts I suspect you are a headsup specialist uncomfortable with 3 handed?

There's not gonna be heads up tables ever for obvious reasons. With that being said, 80% of my play on stars is heads up on 6m tables so you get that at least.

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I think that is a misguided notion of what a scumbag is. A third person that is not honoring a heads up request on a 6max table is not being a scumbag.

Regs fighting over playing fish HU or discussing the proper etiquette under various scenarios when a fish comes to the table is laughable at best. At worst it suggests deeper arrangements friendly regs likely have with each other that are not discussed on public forums.

I really don't know why you posted in this thread thinking stars cares about this. Probably the best thing for stars is that ric flair pisses the fish off enough that he leaves and goes to play some spins. Certainly the best outcome for stars is that the fish doesn't blow his deposit in a day playing a high stakes reg.

Stars doesn't care about their own camping rules? Stars doesn't care about making racial/religious insults? They don't care about lying to recs saying they're being cheated? I really really hope they care about these things.

Like I said, I wouldn't have posted about not honoring the HU request if it wasn't in conjunction with this other behavior.

If you just want to ignore all of these elements and only respond to that part then you're not being productive whatsoever, and are just posting for the sake of disagreeing.

I already said the abusive chat is different. Report the chat. The rest is irrelevant and just distracts from the stuff the guy is actually doing wrong.

Okay. So you don't think I've reported the chat? And the camping? I'm posting here because nothing has been done.

I was at the table when this rec player asked for hu. It was seemingly agreed upon by all including Ric x Flair in chat that the player would choose an opponent, and everyone else would leave. Flair refused to comply with the request once twoshae was chosen. His reasoning was that he thinks twoshae is "scum", and is sick of twoshae not allowing him to sit alone at any table on any site.

The standard is to allow any 2 players OR any rec player to request hu and get it. Obviously if someone starts crashing your hu games, you would be justified in crashing theirs. That is not the case between Flair and twoshae afaik.

Sitting alone at a table is not a right. Using the fact that twoshae doesn't allow Flair to sit alone as justification to not honor a rec player's hu request is unacceptable imo. It's all about giving the rec player what he or she wants, even if it's playing hu against a player whose behavior you dislike.

Sup? ric x flair. Why do you hate Jewish fellas so much?

chat abuse is one thing but it happens all over the nj sites. i dont expect the sites to ban people for saying obnoxious offensive things. nj is full of douchebags. . MUTE THEM- problem solved i laugh at the tens of thousands these sites waste censoring the chat boxes.

the complaint about not honoring a hu request is pointless here. thats basically unwritten code amongst regs from what i gather and im a rec/fish who doesnt play anywhere near what i used to online anymore. sounds like ric flair doesnt like you "two shae" and vice versa. get over it.

the ghosting. i stopped playing on stars nj for the most part.because of suspicions of many doing such things from outta of nj. for the levels and stakes i play on the other sites. starsnj seems too much like a completely different player base. i get it stars added some new players who werent playing in nj before but not that many. certainly not enough to suddenly have a flood of new people with very different playing styles flood the lower stakes suddenly who were clearly different than the usual low stakes players you find on 888/party/borg.

plus the fact that when starsnj launched you suddenly had all these people pop up playing like they were "rockstars on stars". i get it many people played on stars row and continued to do so for a long while once it was supposedly closed to US players but you cant tell me all the clueless rec/fish i play with on the other skins (low stakes) suddenly know how to play better on stars or changed their playing style for the stars skin only.

something is definately fishy as i dont think up to a hundred + people suddenly travelled from outside of nj to nj on "vacation" to play penny/nickel/dime poker cash and few $ mtt on stars thats an absurd thing to think. its not the new yorkers either.

sorry my RANT IS OVER

Not a rant and I agree with your post.

Its to a point now that the New Jersey DGE (Division of Gaming Enforcement) needs to be alerted.

Its clear as day that some bad things are happening, and likely by a very small subset of advantage players/software users who come form the ROW site. Also likely the very ones, being overly outspoken in this thread. Id bet you wouldn't have to look too far beyond the ones posting int his very thread to gain a very good starting point. This is why we in NJ have LEGAL online gambling, because their is recourse now.

Pokerstars you better not be turning a blind eye to bad things happening here thats why the NJ DGE exists.

Would love to hear some sns that you suspect are "people from not in nj". Can def investigate, as I know who nearly all of the regs are at 200nl and higher

Oh and would wager a large amount of money that you are incorrect

Also can we take this discussion and the twoshae one to another thread? Twoshae made his point to stars very clear, if people want to discuss further or debate we should go somewhere else.

Let's get this thread back on topic

I'll start:

Dylan, nice job lowering Super Tuesday and thrill guarantees. I still suggest a higher guarantee, as that will generate much more buzz, and help more players to reg it from the start. Even making them 10k will make a difference

will there be satellites into any other NJ festival events other than the $1,100 event? It would be nice if there was a chance for us smaller players to have a chance to win a seat into the 230 and 340 events.