Since Pokerstars already have the funds in their possession the player will have to go to civil court to get the cash back.

As the claimant the burden of proof will be on the player and he will have to establish his claim on a balance of probabilities. If he refuses to get the document referred to earlier, which confirms when he was out of the US, his claim will undoubtedly be thrown out.

If he cashed out beforehand Pokerstars would have to go to court as the claimant, but I'm not sure they have done this to anyone have they?

Ul op, the amount involved shouldn't really matter to the outcome as $250k may be as important to him as $1k is to someone else.

The assumption that Pokerstars just waits for the right moment to snap up a high cashier balance when banning a guy is wrong in my opinion. They donate this money to charity and while there is obviously SOME value in this for them (positive PR etc) I doubt its much greater than the generated rake he could have otherwise provided.

Some people seem to think that the guys working at Pokerstars security just pocket the 250k and are off to buy a Porsche the next day which is simply not true.

We can go to the great American pub in Wayne and get drunk if that would help?

agree. afaik, these types of things are usually triggered by the review process that sometimes occurs when cashouts are requested, and thats why people tend to have large-ish balances when they are flagged/investigated

with their entry to NJ and the amount of money they're currently spending in CA, combined with their need to show an extensive dossier of proactive and punitive measures taken to enforce rules and deter rule-breaking, it is a very perilous time to be VPN'ing/MA'ing on stars

I think it makes sense that poker stars keeps some of their security methods secret so players can't attempt to reverse engineer workarounds. so even if you counter every accusation they bring to you, they probably have damning evidence that they won't reveal ever.

This really makes me wonder how in gods name this guy managed too win 250k, and spends a year trying too get his money back, and then does something so horrendously stupid too come on 2+2 and blows any chance of getting at least getting his money back.

And i tell you why, since ps is in the progress [successfully but slowly] of getting back in the american market, and since jake here is not saying he did not play while in the USA, so i am convinced he did [otherwise why not say so if he did not] and ps then obviously will go too great lengths and cost too prove they are doing anything possible too prove they are doing everything they can to prevent and if somebody does too punish this individual as severely as they can right?.

And here comes jake after a year of obviously unsuccessfully trying to get his money back [and being allowed too play again?] telling his story his 250k is confiscated for playing while being in the US of A, and does not say at any point he did not do this, but!!!! ps can't prove he did?!!!!!! WHAT!!!!???? did i understand this right?.

Has jake not read or understand or comprehend the terms he agreed with when he signed on or read/understand anything of reading or seeing or hearing story's about what they are allowed to do in case they even suspect foul play? or breaking of their rules?.

And does jake not understand that he won't be longer then 5 min in court or review board?,if he is even get that far after the judge or panel read this story on 2+2

And what happens if they give him his money back, and with that are saying or hinting that it is ok too play from the USA, so obviously ps would do anything they can, after accusing you of playing from the USA too make it stick or uphold the confiscating of the 250k and ban you for live from anything to do with ps?, you really did not see that coming?, really? after you gave them no choice by coming here on 2+2 and are not even able too say you absolutely did not play online while being in the USA?, man i have too tell you i don't even have words too describe how incredibly ...... i think you are, really no words, really none.

Yup and yup.
Im 100% sure that stars not only has the power to basically see exactly what you re doing while the client up , but they also utilize that power in situations if it s needed.

OP , let me guess , after you were initially investigated , your stars account was still open and you were still allowed to play a bit... right?
meanwhile im also sure you assumed you re " safe " and still went on doing what you usually do , which im quite sure they monitored and uncovered your " secrets ".
The reason why they dont tell you the proof they have on you , is because they dont want to admit that they have it in the first place.

I dont wanna go in detail about how i know this , but let s just say it happened to me.

gg , you re never playing on stars again but there is a slight chance you might get your money back.

A rep might see this and say " Pokerstars does not take screenshots " bla bla bla bla... Yea they might not , but they still have the ability to watch your screen while the client is up.

Thanks for sharing.

Seems like this is great work by PokerStars if OP is guilty. Did he even deny breaking their ToC?

For any extra proof of adress and other annoying stuff they want from players, they have a reason and understand what accounts are more likely to be breaking the ToC.

This OP actually acts as an warning for VPN and MA from the states.

All the other players that have a managed laptop in Mexico, Canada, or wherever and are just remote controlling the laptop from the USA to play poker surely are chit-scared right now. Looks like Stars has figured out a way to determine when their PokerStars Client is being remote controlled, even though the actual hardware is not in the USA. The jig is up it appears.

It's simple they can scan your processes to find out any other programs running. Why the hell were you VPN'ing when u live in Canada?

Well maybe he's not really in Canada and thus why he's in this situation to begin with lol.

Never said i VPN ed, my situation had nothing to do with that.
Not gonna do the mistake Luke did and wont go in detail regarding my ban , i just know for a fact that they can get information that you think they do not have access to .
Ive made my peace with their decision , it ****ing sucks but nothing i can do about it . Quit poker and back to school something i wanted anyway , so sort of a blessing in disguise

Perman ban is fine, live events ban? Meh, 50/50, confiscating a quarter of a million dollars? **** off! His live score of 100k euros is his, they allowed him through the client to buy in to the game directly, thats his. Give him his initial deposit/s back and redistribute the surplas funds to charity.

This is stupid. It only would encourage others to VPN from USA knowing they would get initial deposit back. Deposit 10k, as soon as you make something, cash out and always leave 10k so you can not lose any $

great job stars!

Wait, sometimes I get lazy so I just fire my laptop and use RDC to connect to my desktop to play on Stars,

That's illegal too?

+1 Last thing ROW players want is the DoJ getting frisky again and seizing our balances

This whole episode's like a reverse $250k phantom deposit

oh

I played on a RDC owned by Globotech. Others used a RDC owned by Globotech and admitted they were playing while in US when questioned. They simply think i'm guilty by association. I never played when in the US.

If multi-accounting and VPN/Remote Desktop use is as widespread as feared, then Stars will probably be quite pleased that this thread was started, as it makes it look like they are serious about cheating (so compliant players and the regulators can all say "Jolly good show"). The publicity simultaneously puts pressure on other alleged cheats to stop doing it. I think Jake is something of a 'fall guy' though. His allegation about an insider at the company warning a backer to be careful about his horses indicates there could be some sort of favouritism going on. (i.e. Are there other suspected cheats that Stars turns a blind eye to?)

As for where the money goes, it's usually understood that it goes to charity, but with such a large amount of cash in this particular case, I think it would be good PR if Stars confirmed in public how much was seized and how it was redistributed. But based on the Hastings thing, the bot crisis, the HUD debate, and the future of VPP reward rates, Stars doesn't really do transparency any more.

Thought i'd let public know whats going on, and wanted to gain valuable insight. I haven't gotten much out of this but thanks for your opinions etc..going to be busy for the next few weeks so may not be posting much.

You still have not stated why you were allowed to change nickname three times.

i also do this. As pokerstars is banned on iphone in Australia, i RDC my home computer on the move on my mobile and play, can they see that?

There's a difference between remote joining your home computer and doing it on an expensive PAID server in a server farm next to a hundred guys from the USA doing the same thing while requesting to change your name multiple time to avoid being detected by social media fanatics.

I really could not care less about vpns from the US, its true it hurts stars a little bit from getting back legally in the US, and that also hurts the poker economy in general but its a small impact imo.

But what hastings did is different, he played under another account and got action because not everyone knew it was him. It gave him an unethical edge on other players.

/end derail