The games HAVE NOT got better when sites have done this in the past.

I like the changes, they only rly suck for Full ring nits if i got that right.
But for fish enjoying earning VPP's and for lags its very rewarding
I have not found a downside on this yet. I also dont understand why stars is "moneygrabbing" - now imagine every nit starting to loosen up
it would be 2003 again

What sites are you talking about?

Btw this is why Stars thinks they can get away with this. Stupid regulars who can't learn from history and somehow think this is a good thing in any way.

I love that they snuck a rake increase at 6max too with the increase in 5 handed rake yet didn't even mention that in the OP. That used to be a really good reason to play at Stars. Whoops.

go play william hill 60% rakeback pokerstars idiots noob put money in your ass stupids

FTP, Party, iPoker.

We've been through this before. Many times.

It's not. You'd think it would be, but it's not. The laggiest of LAGs will still see a 10% drop in rakeback.

Licking lips at the sound of all these cash players rocking over to play MTTSNG's.......

Juicy!!

no, lags lose money, fish get a few more vpps, but they are the lowest volume players, they will not gain much because they aren't playing for long enough to reap the rewards.
and lol at 2003 again.

worst post ever

But stil they get what they contribute to the pot, not having 90% of its rake given to all the russian nits on the table,

Loving WC )

The rake reduction isn't across the board. If I read it correctly any pot size $700+ has no change but lower ones do?

At what point does the pot size have to be in order to see no benefit from the rake reduction?

To tired to do the calculations right now

You should read it more carefully.

Mhh. I don't fully understand this yet. I know less VPP but will there be less rake? I play 50nl-100nl FR.

I can't say yet whether or not I will throw a fit etc like the rest of the people here.

Might have to play and see what I get.

Well this is ****. I'm not even a nit and I stand to lose out. Chance of me going for SN next year just fell to 0%

Also, lol at all the micro ******s celebrating. I play goddamn PLO50 and I'm still gonna lose out, the changes are beneficial to such a small % of players, and an even smaller % of rake paid.

monopolies gonna monopoly? A minimal amount of people will transfer. Stars does a lot of things right ie. customer service, traffic, tons of micro gtds. Depends to the players what's most important.

Steve,
since the current changes screw the SNEs big time, can't you at least make SNE for a full year instead of 1st of October?
Isn't it common sense to be able to keep it for a full year since you work to get it for a full year in the first place?

what statistics are u basing ur facts on... and "lol at" lags lose money.
fish is gonna get a heck lot more VPP and hopefully safe it up for cash rewards.
i bet so hard that the games will be better.

Given ur emotional state ur playing full ring right? 10/9?

fulltilt open plase

The loss in incremental is not significant for medium size pots. Look at the worked examples on the first page. So I would say the rake reduction at NL200 (that I play) is quite close to 10% which is quite significant. I quantify the change in cap for 5 handed for 6max as I don't play it but for FR it should be negligible

looks like stars management is showing their true colors now that they think they have sufficiently monopolized online poker.

+1

sure

"Come and blow off $300 on our site, you'll earn a pokerstars card protecter faster than you did before!!!!!"

I sent the following email to Poker Stars before switching to this site in September:

This the answer I received:

I invested significant amount of time and money (by not bumhunting other sites but learning a game to get SNE) raking in 300k VPIP in the process.
Now they say: "Hahahaha, we deceived you to play long hours in our games and now your money belong to us so you can go **** yourself".
Message taken, lesson learnt. I am still sad though because playing high volume is fun for me and bumhunting is boring. Stars will lose 150k$ rake from me. I hope more people join. Even if not sitout which is drastic action we can organize to play no more than say 6 tables with super strict, obnoxious table selection which will hurt them more than temporary sitout.

God damn the 6max rake increase is really tilting me. Just **** off stars. Bunch of ******s with the way this whole thing was handled. Count me in for a sitout.

hahaha ***** break even 24 tabling nits