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04-20-2018 , 09:55 AM
So after not having played on stars for a few years, I recently decided to start again. I always left some money on my account because I'd start and stop every so often and I figured stars was trustworthy. This time it had been about 5 years since I last played.

Anyway, I tried to log on and got an account frozen message. After some e-mailing they told me this

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Account cannot be reopend - Instructions for new account

Hello ,

Thank you for your email.

Please be advised that your account was removed from our database under the requirement of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

If you wish, you may create a new account using your details. To do this, please follow the below steps:

Restart our softwareSelect 'Create Account' from the Lobby, available up rightFollow the on-screen instructions to create a new accountYour previous Stars ID will not be available for use.

If you have any questions, please let us know.



Regards,

Tsvetan
Stars Security

To enhance the security of your Stars Account, we strongly encourage you to set up our additional security features; Stars PIN, SMS Verification, RSA Token and Security Questions.

Activation of these features is extremely simple and can be completed within the ‘Account’ menu within our software.

We will NEVER ask you to confirm your login credentials or password via email, phone or chat facility or in any way. We do not advise giving your login information to anyone under any circumstances.
I still don't really understand why it was deleted and can't be reopened. I live in Greece if that's relevant.
Do I have any chance of getting my money back? I asked and they haven't replied yet.

edit: and if I make a new account would I get a deposit bonus on it?
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04-20-2018 , 10:06 AM
Probably some .COM to .EU licensing issue

Obv if your account was removed from the database, then your previous Stars ID should be available for use, so I don't quite understand that part - unless someone else has taken it in the meantime

Hopefully you will get whatever funds back that you had on your previous account. Keep us updated
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04-20-2018 , 03:22 PM
I guess I'll find out soon

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Thank you for your reply
We have escalated your case to Management responsible for reviewing these situations, and you will receive a reply as soon as possible.

Your patience is appreciated.

Regards,

Joel
Stars Security
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04-22-2018 , 11:16 AM
Yes of course you should be able to get your money back otherwise this is straight robbery. GDPR is related to user privacy, it certainly does not give them permission to confiscate money from their users.
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04-22-2018 , 12:56 PM
Being the honest site that we all know PS is, perhaps they sent your money to whatever account you funded it with, originally, when they closed it?
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04-23-2018 , 08:29 AM
PokerStars pretty plainly guarantee that your account balance will be restored in the Terms of Service that you mutually agreed to, so you should have no trouble here:
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You acknowledge and agree that if your User account is “active” (i.e. you have logged into your User account at any time during the prior 12 month consecutive period) monies deposited by you in your User account are held in a trust account on your behalf and are considered to be "End User's Deposits" in accordance with the trust arrangements with the Isle of Man Treasury Department. In the event that your User account is “inactive” (i.e. you have not logged into your User account for a consecutive 12 month period), monies deposited by you in your User account will cease to be "End User's Deposits" and will not be held in trust but will be immediately available to you for withdrawal or to use the Service in accordance with the terms of this Agreement from such time as you log into your User account and will be automatically reclassified as "End User's Deposits.
This is from the .COM site, though there may be something weird in local Greek rules and regulation, so your mileage may vary.
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04-23-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
PokerStars pretty plainly guarantee that your account balance will be restored in the Terms of Service that you mutually agreed to, so you should have no trouble here:
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...but will be immediately available to you for withdrawal or to use the Service in accordance with the terms of this Agreement from such time as you log into your User account and will be automatically reclassified as "End User's Deposits
OP was told that his account "was removed from [the] database". He cannot log into his account

I do believe he will still get whatever balance he had on his account back though
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04-23-2018 , 09:35 AM
Hah, Stars aren't going to disable an account, and then arbitrarily confiscate the balance because the player can't log into an account. That's not how they operate.
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04-24-2018 , 06:54 PM
Yeah, it seems as if everyone and his wife have been emailing me about this GDPR stuff, which will hopefully have gone away this time next year, agree that your money will be there but who the **** in their right minds leaves (any significant amount of) cash on an online gambling site for five ****ing years?
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04-27-2018 , 08:03 PM
I still didn't get an answer from the management.

sixfour: I forgot about it for a while, then I was in the army and after that working away from home with **** wifi. I was always planning on playing again but just got delayed. I wouldn't have left money in any site other than stars though. Also I tried to withdraw but couldn't due to capital controls at one point.

Anyway mostly just bummed out about not pokering I was getting pretty psyched about it
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05-12-2018 , 10:23 PM
Update: got the funds back and everything sorted out on a new account
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02-02-2022 , 09:57 PM
Not to hijack someone elses thread but seems some helpful and in the know people responded here. Very similar thing has happened to me and my account, although my time period around 9 years and not 5 years like OP. I recently emailed pokerstars about my account and seeing if there was any way to withdraw my funds while in the US. As I haven't been abroad in ages (9 years) and don't see it happening anytime soon esp with Covid restrictions etc. Anyways they responded to me just like OP saying my account had been closed due to GDPR etc etc. I then follow up asking about my funds and how I will get them and they claim that my account had $0 in it before closing it. This is impossible as the last time i logged in was late 2013 I had a balance over $5k usd at the time along with fpps (i think those are obsolete at this point as they cancelled them) Since then I have received xfers totaling $3k ish more into my account from horses or people that owed me money thru the poker world. I have all the automated pokerstars xfer emails to obviously prove this along with some offhand screenshots of my account balance.

Their last response was how they have very strict rules about closing accounts with funds, and that I must have xfer'd, played, or withdrew my funds to get it to $0. I have since asked for proof of my playing history or all history at that leading up to my account closure. Anyways its still early only a few days going back and forth and I may just be dealing with low level support and need to talk to the right person or someone higher up to get to the bottom of this. I didn't think this was thread worthy just yet as it seems nowadays it just takes stars much longer to resolve things compared to the glory days of their support. This is a lot of money to me and for them to just nonchalantly close my account saying it had exactly $0 in it i found pretty crazy and scary. The only possibly way I can imagine it legitimately had a $0 balance was if I was hacked but I have/had an RSA token so I think that would be literally impossible unless I am missing any other possible scenarios. Esp since I received no communication from them about any problems regarding my account. Just wondering how best to proceed from here on out. Thanks for reading, if anyone does since this is also kind of old thread.
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02-02-2022 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
Just wondering how best to proceed from here on out. Thanks for reading, if anyone does since this is also kind of old thread.
Ask for an audit of transactions on your account.

Also, just to be clear, you are entirely entitled to withdraw your account balance from the USA, you should have done this several years ago by the sounds of things.
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02-02-2022 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Ask for an audit of transactions on your account.

Also, just to be clear, you are entirely entitled to withdraw your account balance from the USA, you should have done this several years ago by the sounds of things.
Thanks I will do that, ya looking back I should have or at least inquired about it not this many years after, just figured my funds were completely fine with pstars as they have always had an outstanding reputation. Will update when I have one.
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02-03-2022 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
Not to hijack someone elses thread but seems some helpful and in the know people responded here. Very similar thing has happened to me and my account, although my time period around 9 years and not 5 years like OP. I recently emailed pokerstars about my account and seeing if there was any way to withdraw my funds while in the US. As I haven't been abroad in ages (9 years) and don't see it happening anytime soon esp with Covid restrictions etc. Anyways they responded to me just like OP saying my account had been closed due to GDPR etc etc. I then follow up asking about my funds and how I will get them and they claim that my account had $0 in it before closing it. This is impossible as the last time i logged in was late 2013 I had a balance over $5k usd at the time along with fpps (i think those are obsolete at this point as they cancelled them) Since then I have received xfers totaling $3k ish more into my account from horses or people that owed me money thru the poker world. I have all the automated pokerstars xfer emails to obviously prove this along with some offhand screenshots of my account balance.

Their last response was how they have very strict rules about closing accounts with funds, and that I must have xfer'd, played, or withdrew my funds to get it to $0. I have since asked for proof of my playing history or all history at that leading up to my account closure. Anyways its still early only a few days going back and forth and I may just be dealing with low level support and need to talk to the right person or someone higher up to get to the bottom of this. I didn't think this was thread worthy just yet as it seems nowadays it just takes stars much longer to resolve things compared to the glory days of their support. This is a lot of money to me and for them to just nonchalantly close my account saying it had exactly $0 in it i found pretty crazy and scary. The only possibly way I can imagine it legitimately had a $0 balance was if I was hacked but I have/had an RSA token so I think that would be literally impossible unless I am missing any other possible scenarios. Esp since I received no communication from them about any problems regarding my account. Just wondering how best to proceed from here on out. Thanks for reading, if anyone does since this is also kind of old thread.
So this money means a lot to you but still you left it like 9 years on a pokersite instead of cashing it out which would have taken you like 5 minutes. Some people...facepalm.
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03-04-2022 , 05:09 PM
Just to update here, I never really got any help from support via twitter or email. It was pretty much a back and forth of them telling me my account doesn't exist anymore b/c it was closed and theres no trace of my account. I asked for an audit of transactions as instructed by Josem but they said none of my info could be found in their database and it was all removed so they cant give me audits of transactions which seems kinda of bs.

Anyways it seems like not much progress is going to be made dealing with the standard support via email or twitter DM's. So I guess my next question would be what do people suggest I do to get my funds from my account back? Do you think I should start a thread so my problem gets more eyes on it and hopefully then I can get in contact with someone higher up at pokerstars to get this sorted out. Is there any pokerstars support or workers on twitter I could tag about my problem in hopes of getting things resolved. Is there some kinda gaming operators that that pokerstars has to answer to that I can contact them and complain about my issue? Anyways at this point I'm all ears in terms of suggestions that can help me eventually get my money back and off pokerstars. Thanks again all.
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03-04-2022 , 05:56 PM
Lol, come on, that can't be true.
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03-04-2022 , 11:59 PM
A thread here will probably not really help since stars really does not seem to care about threads on 2+2. They only care if tons of people see it and it could damage their reputation.

I would post the whole thing on twitter and tag them and some stars pros and/or contact the responsible gaming authority.

You could still get p2p transfers while in the US, eventhough stars does not allow real money play there? Are you even a us-player or was that account registered to another country?
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03-05-2022 , 11:09 AM
mcc3504,

Where are you physically located, and in what city + country was your account registered?
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03-07-2022 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
mcc3504,

Where are you physically located, and in what city + country was your account registered?
I've been in the US for a long time, I relocated in late 2012 to Rosarito, Mexico. Thats where I got my account reinstated and got back online after black friday etc. I can post my back and forths via twitter DM's with pokerstars support and their support emails if needed just will be a lot of screenshots.
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03-07-2022 , 05:26 PM
mcc3504,

I cannot believe that a functioning human genuinely representing PokerStars told you that they have taken your remaining balance and claimed to have no record of doing so. I encourage you to post the full and unedited emails to/from PokerStars on this issue, because I have more faith in my fellow humans than this. I cannot believe any human adult believes that the European Union's General Data Protection Regulation allows taking money from people, that's not reasonable, that's not how any of this works.

In the unlikely event that your whole story is true, it sounds to me that you need to escalate the situation.

It is not obvious to me which Terms of Service apply to you and your account.

At the time that the relevant transactions allegedly took place, it appears likely that PokerStars' global operations were regulated under rules laid down by the Isle of Man Government. However, PokerStars claims to now be regulated by the incredibly low-end Maltese Gaming Authority. In addition, PokerStars made various commitments to the Government of the United States of America about enabling US players to cash out their funds.

While we have not heard a full explanation from PokerStars, allegedly taking your entire remaining balance AND CLAIMING THAT THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF YOUR BALANCE might be a breach of the rules that applied under the IOM rules, might be a breach of the rules that apply under the Maltese regulatory framework and might be a violation of their commitment to the US Government (I don't know if there was a time limit that applied here for PokerStars players, I assume not, but I might well be wrong).

Thus, I suggest physically writing an actual written letter to the relevant authorities:

1) Write to PokerStars. Some previous advice is provided below which I provided in another case.

2) Write to the regulators in Malta (MGA) and the Isle of Man (IOM GSC) - and ensure you provide enough documentation so that a stranger can understand the case and take action. Get a friend (ideally a parent or uncle or aunt who will criticise you honestly) to review the document. Write in a factual and professional manner, and ensure that your claims are accurate and well documented where possible. In your letter to the IOM GSC, you should highlight that your account was regulated by them at the time that the relevant alleged activity took place.

3) Before sending all these documents, make sure you retain copies.

4) The relatively-recent Maltese Terms of Service online here describe an alternate dispute resolution service: https://www.pokerstars.com/tos/ Be wary about any requirements that this organisation imposes on you, especially around submitting to their jurisdiction and/or keeping silent. It is not obvious to me that this case should be subject to the jurisdiction of the MGA and their ADR service.

5) Write to the Complex Frauds and Cybercrime Unit in the Department of Justice U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York and complain that PokerStars aren't giving you your money back. Some combination of Assistant U.S. Attorneys Olga Zverovich, Sarah Lai, and Jason Cowley are probably the best people to address, but I do not know for sure. If you can't easily identify someone specifically, just ask one of them to pass your request along to the relevant people as needed.


Your goal here is to get your money back. Ideally, course you would avoid having to deal with any legal/court processes. The goal is to get you your money back, not to go to court. If the money is truthfully owed to you, the company is likely to give you your money back once a human looks at the situation, understands the situation, and reviews it.



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K2AA72,

Sorry, you're just going to have to wait if you want that money back. If you believe they're being unreasonable and you want to escalate your demands, then you have the option to formally demand the return of your money.

If you wanted to pursue this, you could write (physically, on paper) to

TSG Interactive Gaming Europe Limited (C54266)
Villa Seminia,
8, Sir Temi Zammit Avenue,
Ta' Xbiex XBX1011 Malta

You can verify that the above address is legitimate by checking their Terms of Service here: https://www.pokerstars.com/tos/

I suggest writing in both your native language and English.

-Include the date you are sending your letter
-Request the return of your money within a specified period (7/14/30) days as you deem appropriate
-Include your real name and home address
-Include your User ID
-Inform the company that if they do not return your account balance, you will contact the Maltese Small Claims Court (balances up to €5,000)
-Photocopy the letter after you have signed it and before you post it, and send a scanned copy of the letter to support@starsaccount.com

Ideally, they will return your money.

If not, if you live in Germany, then may be able to use the Maltese Small Claims tribunal to demand the return of your money.

The procedure is detailed online here:
https://www.gov.mt/en/Life%20Events/...ll-Claims.aspx

You will need a copy of the letter from above.

The goal of course is to avoid the court process. The goal is to get you your money back, not to go to court. If the money is truthfully owed to you, the company is likely to give you your money back to avoid the risk of dealing with this in the small claims court.

This is not expert advice. If you want expert tax or legal advice, see an accountant or lawyer and don't rely on free online sources in anonymous internet forums
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03-09-2022 , 11:15 AM
Thank you for the responses Josem I really do appreciate your attempts at helping this situation. Below is the small back and forth via email I had with them, most the screenshots after that is my back and forth with the stars support via twitter DM's. I believe everything should be in order so its easy to follow or hopefully. I could be missing something and I hope that is the case but it seems like they are telling me my account was closed b/c GDPR and that it had no money in it. Via twitter DM's you can see i ask about the audit history and give them my details on my account and they pretty much tell me theres no recollection of my account? Anyways this is everything for now.














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03-09-2022 , 01:02 PM
OK, so here they are claiming that the account had no account balance when it was closed. That does somewhat matter!

So how do you know that you had an outstanding account balance? Do you have any documentation to prove that?
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03-09-2022 , 01:48 PM
Yes I thought I had stated that they closed my account due to GDPR and claimed it had $0 in it.

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So how do you know that you had an outstanding account balance? Do you have any documentation to prove that?
No I don't have anything other than some old offhand screenshots of my account balance but that doesn't show the date or my full account details in it so I assume that cant help at all. I have the automated emails of money being transferred into my account over the years the last one looks like it was 2015. There were many between 2013-2015. I left my balance in my account the last I had played. Anyways my question is why are they not providing an audit of transactions on my account up until its closed? This would show what potentially happened to the money if the account was infact at $0 when they closed it right?

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03-10-2022 , 05:43 AM
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there are some details about your PS account in 2013: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...ght=pokerstars

I also found that in 2016 someone you staked owed you $11,508.94. Perhaps you transferred your PS funds to him or other stakees? https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3511

Maybe there are some other helpful old posts that could be found using different keywords?
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