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was just wondering if anyone has any experience with the app, or good stories, horror stories etc?

Still waiting on a cash out of about 5k... Affiliates are dodging me

Think i'll never get my money

Sure, the games are soft but if you don't read Chinese, there is no way you are getting into the games unless you go through an agent. The games already charge a 5% commission on winnings and add on the agent fees (I assume it is around 3%), you must be a pretty damn good player to make enough to make it worth your time.

Now add on the possibility of scamming (by both the clubs [this is rare] and your agent), collusion (the gps/location system doesn't work. you can have multiple players in the same room playing under one table), etc......

Simply put, it is not worth it if you have to go through an agent. Last month there was a huge scandal. The guy who ran the club with the biggest games on Pokermaster simply disappeared. He might be under arrest or simply ran with the money. Rumor is that he owed over $20m rmb (USD $3-4m) to various players and agents. He was also rumored to be the player who lost over $1million USD in a week playing in his own club. I watched the games and they were playing 1k/2k (150/300 USD) games 500bb+ deep....the plays were horrendous but I guess if you never intended to pay up, you can play however you want....think of every hand as a free roll.....

Dont think twice, just pass it dude.

I've heard nothing but bad things, stayed away myself, and told others to do the same. My recommendation stands.

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Kahn

You need to find a club with legit bankers that pay out every game. To do this you need to know people in China who can vouch for different bankers. The software is horrible and you can only one table (a lot of guys buy multiple tablets to play more). The games are hella soft though.

The 5 percent commission is usually only on winners, so if you are down in a game it incentivizes you to keep playing essentially rake free before getting back to even.

My recommendation is to not play unless you have laowai friends who you trust who can direct you to good, relatively safe games. If the games are soft enough collusion issues aren't that big of a deal in holdem (though Omaha is a bigger deal with more cards shared). This is why I don't really play above 5/10.

it would be nice if more players would share their experiences

I have been playing this app for a while winning money but to me it seems like its not realistic poker and that there is a lot of cheating going on.

it seems that there are action hands all the time, huge suckouts ,setups, basically everything imaginable to create huge swings.

the game play seems very unique and aggressive, even bad players tend to attack you on certain boards all the time and make your life tough.

there is certainly lots and lots of collusion going on since there are no security measurements against it. its easy to sit down with some friends at the same tables and just share the holecards via skype and create nice spots to take advantage of honest players.

maybe there are even superusers, I have no prove for that but sometimes there are so ridiculous plays and some players seem to always play perfectly even though their level of play seems terrible and on another app "Firepoker" there were confirmed superusers

cashouts are usually not a problem if you have a reliable agent but nothing is guaranteed

there is no transparency, it is really hard to tell how many real money clubs are running, which ones are soft, which ones are realiable etc.

which clubs do you guys know of?

what deals do you guys have with your agents and do you get rakeback?
obviously not everyone wants to share this information with the public but I think if it becomes more transparent in the end the players could benefit from it.

Id like to say , Id love this thread deleted.

Making this thread on a throwaway account because i'm probably going to sound like a paranoid fish but i'm curious if anyone else playing these apps is having a similar experience to me....

Started playing PokerMaster early 2017 and made a bunch of $$$ consistently over about an 8 month period... Although lately I cant seem to hold on to profits ever. The games still seem incredible, I get gifted every day and often have winning sessions over a few days/week. But then I have these sessions where I get absolutely wrecked in epic fashion to wipe all profits. Its been a trend for a few months.

It honestly feels like i'm being targeted by some malicious accounts / players.

I'm playing
10/20/40
20/40/80 (i agree these games can often be a lot tougher, game selection is key)

1. Players who seem competent with reg stats selectively play trash and cooler me.

ex. Villian 25/18 flats 72ss from SB (straddle game) vs my early open. flop 722... C/R flop and proceeds to stack my AA.

ex2. Villian 30/18 3bets 92o from BU, I peel AQo from CO... A92 flop, proceeds to stack me.

ex3. Villian 25/18 - 3bet/C 4 bet from bb with 68o stacks my AK on A88....

I could keep going but I think you get the point. These players are otherwise playing fine which makes me feel very suspicious, what competent player, or even fish for that matter ever uses 92o as a 3bet???? I understand people fudge stats on these sites too but, in these examples i want to clarify they were playing solid.

2. I've gone through several full game HH's where players I suspected were cheating not once voluntarily put $$$ in on the river and lost(usually over a 2-3 hour period)... with that said sometimes they continued on flops and turns when they def shouldn't have, not sure what this means for my theory.

Anyway I could continue rambling about the suspicious stuff I see on this site these are only a few examples but I think you guys get the point. I get that to many I may sound like a paranoid fish or whatever but I'm here to see if anyone else is having a similar experience to me. Iv'e been a winning player for 7+ years now I refuse to believe poker master is now to tough to beat..

Hello I experienced similar stuff.

It feels like they are generating action boards... fish gets there ****in often + there are just an insane amount of sick setups, which doesnt feel right to me...

On both sites, I also had a lot of setups for myself, hit a lot of backdoors and so on.

+ I played same limits like you + I win solid on all other sites
Tbls are very soft and I lost a bit over prob 30k hands sample (could easily be variance) - still those backdoors and setups felt to much. In the end I felt insecure on every river were on other sites I go fistpump allin....

After 2 other guys, who beat every site lost 20-30k€ each there, I quit as well.
Hear a lot of guys talkin about that they are winning though... so no idea :P

I dont play there anymore, lost a lot on other asian sites like fulpot (where its confirmed that there where superuser accs), pokermonster - confirmed rigged..... so I have donated enough alrdy + I dont trust them anymore!

Hey Kade thanks for taking the time to reply. Yeah pokermonster got me for a bit too, and GGnetwork outright just stole from me. I can't imagine why Pokermaster wouldn't follow suit. Unregulated chinese sites seem to do anything they want, why would PM be any different.

I did not find the NLHE all that soft, although you would get the occasional fish and even the odd whale. The PLO was pretty good action. The games seem legit to me.

am +$8k on there after maybe 30k hands...

however i stopped playing on there because i saw too much weird stuff..

when i won the 8k was mainly in the first month i played on it...games were really soft, huge fish like ppl x/c Turn in 3b pot with Khi no pair no draw just str8 up overcards...however after the first month i won like 15k USD, then the games dried up and almost no huge droolers were sitting just aggro regs every 5 minutes and i lost a ton of money like 8k ish over the next month and a bit then threw in the towel and cashed out.

And i saw some weird stuff like possibly bots, ppl playing multiple accs across the HU lobby like limping 35% of hands at 50/100 Rmb and crushing anyone that sits.

had ton of villains that crushed me in red and blue line at the same time over like 300 hands...i was legit scared to even cbet bluff coz felt like was burning money.

and weird hands like V checks back flop, calls Turn/River probes with Ahi no kicker, but then finds folds on like K93KJ boards vs the same line.

be careful if u play on there imo

btw it should be said, if you are low limit player like nl50, games are actually good on there and i played decent amount of the RMB 400 game 8max and HU and got a ton of huge droolers, so maybe if thats ur game you might want to take a look at it, but i'd be careful if you gonna play much higher than that.

I totally disagree, I also played some omaha there (its my maingame) -> I immediately quit, cause I have never seen more obv collusion then on this site.
Minclicking and repotting 24/7....

About NL: Its not just about the fish on PM, also if you just have 1 fish on the table 60-70% of the regs are just very bad and making endless mistakes and stupid stuff.... winrate could def. be over 10bb/100 and I see very good player lose there over moderate sample...just seems odd to me!

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Maybe its diffrent under 10/20/40+ seems like on lower limits player actually winning.

I mean compared to other sites is the rake on low limits on Pokermaster very low, on higher limits its actually higher compared to other sites.
% wise it always stays the same on PM....so there is a big advantage on low limits!

There is definitely something sketchy going on with this site. Stay away.

1. Each club has its own players field, rules, games. PM is just a platform for hosting your poker room/club
2. In general, games are very soft. To get into the best ones you will need to access private clubs.
3. Choose agent wisely. Its all about trust in PM. So avoid shady/no-name affiliates
4. Collusion issues in some clubs. Again - your agent should give you all info on this

I 4 tabled poker master full time on iPads for almost 3 months in early 2017. The games seemed too good to be true but I still ended up a small loser in 50/100. I stopped playing because I felt I was being cheated or the software was rigged (too many coolers/setups) and I also had to give 40% action to an agent. It wasnt worth it to me. I'll never know if I was cheated but I will stay far away from this. Also annoying to pay $100s of dollars in gems to extend your time bank

i played on PM since mid 2016 and worked w over 100 players there winning month in month out. the biggest winners making more than 90% of the stars 2k+ crowd...

alot of people expect free money when they come here and then quit after 10 days when they reslize this isnt the case.

every single stake is significantly softer than the counterpart on other sites but it's not free money and it will always be high variance due to:

1) big antees
2) straddles
3) different SPRs
4) aggressive chinese fish

site is 100% legit which results over 2 years just prove but swings in both directions will be bigger than on any other site

biggest threats are:
- collusion (getting better but still not great)
- bots

if i would be in a position where i still had to play poker i would 100% play on asian sites (there are at least 10 more like pokermaster) simply because i like money and i like to maximize my EV.

most people who fail on those apps come in with the mindset that it's probably rigged and when you start playing with thst mindset ur mind will 100% convince you that it is while other more open minded people will destroy...

I have been playing PLO last 6 years (NLH 4 years before). First time I have no question about cheating in poker. Pokermaster is 100% with rigged RNG. I am worried also about superusers. Easily, no one will ever take any responsibility about potential crush or
any scandal.
Be aware of these new private poker rooms and applications.

How much do you expect PM to make 'stealing' ( I dont even know if such a term is applicable here) from a player who plays 20/40/80 stakes? Do you even have any idea how much they are making a year by just being an app?

POKERMASTER: Like guaranteed no superusers. And very few complaints about rng. Biggest winners i have/had are very often PLO HU players. I have yet to see an app where HU isnt winning with a huge clip, so far i have not seen any

Very few? I know like 15 regs which quit playing there.
Dunno about superusers, but you can not guarantee. RNG is 100% rigged

If you come to chinatown and expect it to be rigged after 1 week you will be convinced its rigged. My top HU guys made guaranteed more money than any 5k stars reg last 12 months. For me its fine if people think its rigged bc it will keep games healthy for longer. PM i have results of over 150 guys so i think im in a position to make good assumptions btw...

Nice post Tim, agreed!