Agent on Agent cannibalism

Gotta give those agents better deals operators

gggggggggg


lmao great copy

Thanks for the site

Just an FYI that when site shut down they owed me money. I was patient and with no problems I received all the money I was owed. Thought it was pretty stand-up of them to pay after site was shut down. They could have just run with my money.

Was told payouts could be a 60 day process. Currently 1/3 of the way through that still awaiting reimbursement. I'm glad some have been paid.

THis is not going to end well

I will forever miss Pokermania. The owner and admins went above and beyond to make it a fun safe poker home. They were quick to cash me and my poker family
out... There are close to 800 of us.

What was your pokermania name? I'm sure you will receive your cash out. May you run good til then (Tamijofun)

I was paid in full. Thanks guys! I will miss playing on Mania for sure

Glad to see everyone paid in full. I was going to be the next prop player a week before they closed. Glad I didn't get my BOL bitcoin cashout in time to put it on pokermania tho. GL all

I was paid as well. If you haven't been paid yet, it is probably because they haven't yet gotten to you, as they have to go through all players to pay them. Any time there is a line, somebody is first, somebody is last, etc.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

on what date did the last person in your poker family get cashed out?

can anyone with a 2p2 history of more than a couple years and 200 posts confirm recieving any funds from mania since the shutdown? that would be encouraging to those of us still awaiting payment.

Yeah they went well and beyond alright.

Like when there supposed lead programmer (who was a guy with an equity in the company I am told) gets so crushed in games he starts sitting on multiple accounts in the same games trying to collude but still gets destroyed. (didnt seem like he fared too well @ PLO either)

In the end this will be the undoing of Pokermania. Just a guess (but a very educated one based on being in these games and watching) but all the money that was lost by "Pokermania Guys" is probably in the 100s of thousands.

As I said before I do not believe this thread is going to end well.

Also heard they dumped over 100k on software for a downloadable client that was total **** and was available for a grand total of maybe 5-7 days max.


LOL @ the excuse that this was all due to changes in regulation.


Sooner or later there will be some major complaints coming to this thread

LOL @ cashouts being a 90 day process. It was a BTC / Crypto only site. These should take no longer than 1-3 days to cash everyone out.

Also if they were taking BTC deposits and they still have any left they just took a major blood bath over the past week. But I don't think that will be a problem because I am guessing the cupboards are bare.

i received my balance (both my funds and the funds of those players on my affiliate) within a few days of shutdown, and then i paid all my players out. a couple of the posts in this thread are from guys on my affiliate.

oscillator and I are still waiting

Good Morning, We are not sure who your usernames are, but if this is either Brandon or Eric, both of you have been paid out to your agent.. Your agent has your funds and this is a matter of which you need to take up with the person you set the acct up with. You have been both paid in full. If this is neither of those two people, then please send your username so we can check the verification as to if you have been paid, or are just trying to stir up trouble. To date, 2,135 people have been paid in full, and are satisfied. This was not just a BTC site, thus, much of this takes a great deal of time, when all withdrawals must be verified, documented, and the needed information given to the proper departments.

PokerMania is very sad to not be a part of the poker community.. But in short, the loss of humanity and trust in people is what made the fervor for online poker, not a battle we wanted to help in any longer.

Currently we are trying to recover funds that were entrusted into others.. Unfortunately, not everyone is as stand up as we would like them to be. Thus, starting today, we will be naming anyone that is not a stand up guy who owes money, or rips people off. Obviously having been a leader in this industry, we have run across some very unethical people and its time that they are shamed.

Brian Moon, of Chicago. This guy is a con man who prints fake cashiers checks to get into high stakes games. He has duped many, many people in the poker industry, including swaps for main event seats, a poker tour on a charity event, etc.
Last year he agreed to go on Judge Mathis to settle a debt to a woman, only to have exposed that he beat her up. He owes Mania 36,000 and is still playing some of the larger tournament circuits

It is a shame that some people connected to PokerBoom, as this fellow is, would like to speak untruths and try to create small minded problems. The truth is that the owner of PokerBoom stole 170k from Mania. and wiil be exposed on the thread soon.
None of our 'LEAD PROGRAMMERS" nor any employees of Mania, played on multiple accts, nor tried to cheat in anyway. We were extremely vigilant against all forms of cheating. There always seems to be people that like to start falsehoods to make themselves look bigger in the mirror. We are very sorry for the consternation that caused this person to posts untruths and baseless opinions. 2dogshumpin (another deadbeat to be exposed soon) did the same early, and as suggested please provide proof and not false fodder.

First of all stop trying to put the attention on me or other sites you had business relationships with and just pay your players and then you won't have to babble on for paragraphs.

1. Whatever your problems are with pokerboom or other poker sites I do not care. Whether they owe you money or you owe them money I do not care. That has nothing to do with me but let's look at some of the following from the past year.

From what I understand (from multiple people ) you got greedy and other sites took all of the business they were generating for Mania which in turn forced Pokermania into a ghost town and then a lot of "house accounts" showed up in the games and they all were terrible terrible poker players who were beaten for more than likely 100s of thousands of dollars.

2. Multiple people offered me credit and to give away as much credit as I wanted but I declined to do such a thing because I knew at some point this thread would exist.

I even know some guys who are in debt 5-6 figures to people I know who were trying to give away pokermania credit which was a huge red flag. When someone you know who is in debt 75-100k starts trying to recruit you to play on a site you need to keep your head on a swivel. If someone is letting these type of guys just toss around that much credit than that is another huge red flag

3. House accounts started getting in games after other sites spun off of Pokermania. More house accounts then started getting in games to try and collude. They were so dumb they could not even figure out how to cheat the players correctly. They started in Limit hold em games and then moved to PLO where they were absolutely mauled by the top pros.

4.. Pokermania Reps were driving around the country in a Pokermania RV from poker room to poker room trying to recruit players just tossing credit around blindly to people they just met and arranging meetings begging for business from top pros in the industry

5. Purchase and installation of expensive software to get back business which was a monster failure.

6 . The only reason any of the top pros came to this site to play was to play in games with user "Bill" who was the worst poker player of all time and was affiliated with the site DEEPLY and when he started taking beatings he started creating and/or using other house accounts in the same games. Sometimes his other accounts would instantly sit after he busted. Other times when he was losing big they would just hop in on open seats and would go from loose passive calling station to trying to bet other users out of the pot with both accounts. I don't think it would be too hard to have a bunch of Hold em experts verify this was happening consistently for at least 1 month or 2.

He played on multiple accounts in the same games and still could not win . There is about a .0000000000000001 % chance he did not sit on other accounts in the same games when he was getting crushed.


Are you telling me none of what I just posted is true?

1. not true was never a ghost town. never had a lull in games always had a game of some sort. And we didn't have the greed we gave away up to 90% of the rake to agents. 10% was barely over the costs to run. This site was meant for fun, purists who enjoyed poker. It was set up as a private site for good guys. Never meant to be a money grab like the others you associate with.

2. No one from PokerMania employees offered you any credit. We stopped offering credit over a very long time ago when the owner of PokerBoom stole from us. In other words, we wouldn't trust you to pay so we didnt offer you credit.

3. not true and your baseless for even thinking that

4. Only partially true.. There is no PokerMania rv, and no one was blindly offering credit to anyone. There are several of the PokerMania staff that does enjoy live tournaments, and did sign up 100's of players at live events.

5. Russian Programmers are absolutely the worse. Software was a huge failure as others are finding out.

6. Bill was a player, Bill was not an employee of PokerMania, but an agent as well. Bill was not a very good poker player. And Bill never created multiple accounts. Allegations of this are baseless and personal bias. Bill has never played more than one table, or one account, in his life. And though he lost alot of money in foolishness, he was a very good guy and your gutless attacks on his character are terrible.

I understand from staff that you are a close person to the staff of PokerBoom, and that you profited from the theft of 170k. In otherwords, birds of a feather flock together.

PokerMania was created for good people. This thread is for good people to respond and gather. We are very happy to have been the formula for a great bunch of people to gather and play poker. Its a shame that there are some very unethical and ugly people in the world that take away the breath of this industry.

Yes, this is Brandon and Eric.

This is not my understanding at all having spoken with several people. My agent allegedly owes the site money and our funds have not been sent anywhere as they are allegedly being used to offset those balances. If PokerMania has some proof that our agent has received a payment, please PM me or contact me to provide it.

Really pathetic.

It's a shame you can't pay your players.

1. The site was certainly a ghost town. Otherwise the owner would not have been on an RV tour trying to recruit players from room to room across america

2. This is 1 zillion percent false. Users had the ability to dust off major amounts of credit in EVERY MONTH of 2017 and I was offered credit accounts from at least a handful of agents.

3. Really? You are telling me Bill was not employed with Pokermania? LOOOOOL

And if the tiny chance this is true that he was "only an agent" of the site then you better do a better job of picking your agents if you open another poker site down the road because this guy sat on multiple accounts in the same games multiple times. it is INDISPUTABLE

4. Your staff is 100 % wrong and you are VERY misinformed if you think I am "close to staff at Boom" . I am not not close to any staff on any poker sites.

I am just a guy who has been around online poker for the better part of 2 decades.


5. Pay your players so this thread can die

Here here. This is the most simple, and satisfactory solution.

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Kahn

Hi, this is Brandon. The most frustrating part of this whole thing for me is that I was informed the site was looking to remove agents from the picture to reduce exposure from deadbeats, and asked to deposit my own money which I was happy to do. I sent the site 10k, and sat on a small profit on top of my deposit while waiting for an old withdrawal to finish processing in order to reduce my own exposure some.

I've been fine waiting the requested 30-60 days to receive payback, but to hear that our agent has been made whole, and the site is no longer responsible for our repayment is not ok.

I deposited directly to the site prior to the shutdown. How is this deposit not immediately refunded to me by the site? Why isn't the site protecting its players from agents that owe the site, and continuing to allow them to play under at risk agents if it's not willing to assume responsibility for worst case scenarios. How is there no accountability for this?

I'm not trying to pile on, but if the site/owners think they can wash their hands of our situation, thats not ok.

Hey rep, quick question:

What changed legally that forced you to close shop? Specifically, what happened from November to December of last year?

I honestly don't know what you're trying to say or insinuate with the last sentence. Just to touch on a few things - My first agent was someone I'm friendly with from Chicago games. He was not able to pay out my winnings due to his own circumstances, thus I dropped him and temporarily left the site.

I spoke on the phone with Scotter ( PM Owner? who you may or may not be, I obviously have no clue ) the first time regarding my inclusion to the site and also about potentially beta testing a new client with added mixed games. We spoke for close to an hour with me mostly just listening, and we spoke again after the issue with my first agent. He called me both times.

In the call relating to my first agent I told him I did not believe Mania owed me this money and I would deal with the debt personally with my first agent. I am still owed this money, but I believe he will make good on his debt when he is able to. He has always paid back loans when he could. I didn't even bring up the fact that this is the second agent from this site who could wind up stiffing me, because I don't believe PM to be responsible for the first one, and I'm mostly upset over my deposit.

Eric suggested I consider signing back with the site under his agent, and I very reluctantly did so because of my relationship with Eric who I trust implicitly.

Actually I have not been in touch with my current agent at all. Here is a screenshot of my communications with him upon the closure of the site. There is no further communication after my last text



As mentioned in previous posts, he told me it might 60 days, and I've been content allowing him/the site the time to make good within his timeframe.

I'm definitely casually trying to remain aware of what is going on with the site and what I'm owed as this amount of money is not insignificant, but I'm far from beating in doors. Also, it's absurd to suggest I ought to be ingratiated to my agent for going out of his way to at the very least pay me my own money back. Are you kidding me?

Naturally I'm thankful when people make good on their word, and it should be pretty clear that I'm not giving anybody a hard time, but I want to keep the people interested in repayment from this site up to date and obviously not let my situation fade into obscurity.

Is this some sort of threat? If anything I'm being entirely too lenient about everything. C'mon...

Thanks, this is what I'm counting on.

I mean...

I have been involved in threads on this forum trying to gain information about scammers, and even offering to help collect. The initial agent, and the only person I know without having heard your full list of debtors, I have lent to to help him with the repayment of others. In another old thread I vouched for someone in a tournament series, who wound up abandoning the thread, and offered to pay all of his debts out personally as a sign of good faith, and because I offered up my initial assurance, but fortunately he came back and made good on his word.

Regardless of this, it isn't the players job to shakedown deadbeats to make sure a platform pays out its customers, but I think we all agree the community would be better off without predators.

The story is still out on your site. I'm passing no judgement, but right now you don't have the right to slander others while calling yourselves one of the good guys. I really truly do hope your team is one of the good guys.

If you look at my initial post you will see that I mentioned how much I did enjoy many aspects of your site. Many of the business decisions you mention above made me feel more comfortable with the idea of continuing to play, and I often enjoyed taking part in friendly banter. Were I to be paid out, and were the site to begin running again with the same group, I would most likely still frequent it. I was even planning on signing my gf up for microstakes so she could give it a shot.

You really take a lot of liberties given the position of this whole thing. You should at least state your name if you intend on continuing offering false facts and baseless assumptions.

I'm not interested in trying to prove to you my worth regarding the poker community. If you've been around this place or any of the venues I frequent, you would know that I always put my personal relationships far ahead of poker, and you would know how much I value basic human decency and trust.

Thanks for appearing in the thread, and seeing to it that your players are made whole.