Gambling debt is a debt he owes us for gambling us. In no way would this be considered under that. The bolded part below is the only section of the paragraph this could possibly be considered under.

But I still don't think it's necessary going to fall underneath that part either. Regardless, he's guilty of internet fraud.

The only laws afaik are regarding banks facilitating transfer to and from offshore gambling sites. I dont think theres any law on the books they could cite me for when i xfer money to another player on Carbon. Gambling debts would be closest thing to this situation. But even if somehow it applied, since he sent first, there was no debt yet imo. If id credited his account first then maybe he would be sending for a gambling debt.

Kinda getting off topic but I guess if 2p2 is gonna restrict paypal xfers because of thier TOS, they might need to look into restricting Chase xfers. Just sucks cause I and many other members have been doing these for over a year with no issues. Guess it just takes one loser scumbag to ruin it for everyone.

not really. all you have to do is wait until you get the money to your account. once its in the account, it cant be reversed. not like paypals.

so, if you want to do quickpay, you either wait until it hits your account as approved or deal with a person who had successful chase transactions already

I would agree with this. It seems much different than paypal. Paypal transactions can be reversed for at least 30 days (even longer I think). With chase xfer you would just need to wait until funds are actually posted. Once they are posted to an account it seems as if they cannot be reversed.

Since you mentioned he has a "green dot" card, green dot, even thought it's pre-paid, requires a person to give all his info, including SS#. See what you can do with possibly getting them involved. The authorities will be able to supoena records and information, given proper cause.
Thanks HS, so to confirm, they do have WU available for withdraw?


Guys, I'm sorry you've all had trouble with a scammer and Chase's quick pay. I'm the furthest from wanting to make anyone feel bad but I feel it absolutely needs to be stated again: You have to deal with reputable people, people you know, or people you can trust. There is no "full proof" way to trade with anyone and not worry about being scammed somehow. Also, being scammed is not just losing money, you can also get your accounts shut down etc (by accepting bad funds or associating with a criminal etc)

People do not want to leave their computer, I understand that. However, the reason I walk into branch's when I do trades via a bank is because it's instant, can not be reversed, can only be cash, is free, and there's no worry of things like what happened with Chase's customer service. Any thing like paypal or chase quickpay or even moneypak's and WU carry some risk and that's heightened if you trade with someone who concerns you at all.

I do think you guys can get this back and make an example. It's going to take some work, but can be done.

I hope my post: Was not seen as support of Ericalee or anyone and I hope it didn't give the idea that the trade would be 100% safe. I do regret not putting usual warnings and even my wording of "once it's on the way, it's on the way" as that could have been construed as some sort of support for the trade. To be 100% honest, I did not even look to see who was trading or what it was about. I only wanted to respond as to what's happened with me before, where I got the email that said funds were on the way but it took 5 days after that. This was with someone trustworthy though and I regret if this sounded as some sort of support for whatever trade I was quoting.

As a matter of fact, I now want to say that as safe as depositing cash in someone's bank would be, that there may be a possibility that could go wrong. You are not supposed to be able to do anything but deposit, and it can only be cash, but perhaps in the hands of the wrong person, an account number and a lazy teller could cause some sort of scam. The point is, I can't condone any trade with a non reputable and there may not be such thing as a "full proof" trade.

Good luck guys, and if I was this guy I'd be scared, very scared. I'd suggest he ma3ke things right or sweat the very possible consequences.

Yes, here is a screen shot:

It would be very unfortunate because places like the marketplace, for example, can use both and don't have problems. Perhaps this is because of the rules of the marketplace like having to be approved and having to wait at least 6 months before you can even try.

The p2p thread has always been the hot spot. It's very unfortunate, but I think Director would even say that stripping people's ability to trade away is not the way to go. Many people have traded many times without issue. Unfortunately there are always scammers out there though and there's an inherent risk in all trades.

This latest case is a tough one because people were careful and cautious for the most part. It's a shame, but basically hammers the point in that there are risks in all trades and people have to take the upmost precaution and you can't count on the system to protect you.. The toughest part is I think Director and the other guy had bad feelings about this person, but because of what Chase said and just a general trust in the system, they were screwed even after the precaution.

Maybe we need to make the p2p thread more exclusive and have a prerequisite similar to the marketplace. I don't know

I would be in favor of this. I haven't traded pre-BF, but I've done over 20+ trades ITT.

To be honest, yes, your post was little push towards sending him my money, even though after I and chiefsfan posted in transfers thread that something smelled fishy.

However, I dont blame you for it not even a little bit. Chiefsfan and me called Chase on seperate occasions to make sure it is impossible to bounce the payment and only AFTER they confirmed it we did the transfers. So, we took all precautions and only because Chase reps were stupid enough not to know whats happening with quickpay we got scammed.
I do business with chase on daily basis and have a personal banker, so this is not being let it go just like that.

Not to give out too much info here, but stuff is piling up. I even have phone number, which most likely is his phone number, if he was dumb enough to use his name. If anyone wants to do some research on the number, I will be glad to PM. Doesnt matter how i got it, but i did.

Even if i will receive money from chase, most likely I won't stop. The world needs to be weeded out of scumbags like this, so if there is anything possible to do to catch him, i will look into this. And IF i get money from Chase itself, they will be really interested of getting to this scum, since they are the ones now who are getting scammed. just gets better and better.

Whats funny- my neighbour who lives across the street works for Secret service. even though we are friends, I really dont want to involve him with such a little problem like this. But if REALLY needed, I might ask for favor. Its not really difficult to find a person by his name. on top of that- after getting IP's and info from chase, which they said they would cooperate with any info we need from them as well as 2+2 mods, if police case would be open against the deuche. If he was stupid enough to use his own name. Also, if police will be involved, RPM will cooperate as well.

If he used fake name, ugh, buddy you're in even ****tier situation. Now we are talking about felony charges for stealing identity. And it's still its not that difficult to find a person who was posting from his computer. Or playing on RPM from his house.

It just all depends how much time I want to put into this. If there will be others who want to pursue this, I'm all for teaming up and tearing that ass.

There is limited time to actually make it right for him and the window is closing in. Bcs once the ball starts rolling, there will be no way to stop it. And just paying back will not be enough...But he is banned and he cant see this thread, so in his situation I really would be worried to open the door, whenever door bell rings....

I hope this little scam was worth to possibly become somebodys bitch in jail for couple years

Not to derail the momentum of the chase subject.

On RPM and Minted, once traded are the funds generally secure?

So weird because I usually would be more aware too, and choose my words better. I'm sorry.

I'll be interested in seeing this get worked out though. If I can help at all, please let me know.

EDIT: Just read the rest of your post and I want to be clear with ericlee again, dude this is serious business and I'd suggest contacting Director and mods here and working this out. Even if you didn't have the full amount, they may be willing to work on a payment plan. I don't know. I do know that this is very serious and not just a bunch of hot air. This will have a very negative affect on your life. Again, your best chance is to get in contact and get this worked out asap, as otherwise it may be too late and not matter.

You'd be very wrong if you don't think it's possible to be in trouble over this. Just a heads up man, as even with what you did, I'd hate to see the affects if it was just a mistake and you got yourself in too deep. If you are a pro scammer, well then welcome to your end days.

There's always a possibility that poker funds received were obtained fraudulently. I'm not sure what Minted or Merge's policy would be, but sites like Stars and FTP could, and sometimes would, take them back.

This post touches on some of the reasons and ways that can happen, if I remember correctly. http://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/di...ml#post5721334

There was also this case, which shows what could happen (although FTP never held players responsible in this case, luckily for them) but this guy was able to get a ton of fraudulent money on the sites and traded it for others, clean money. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...o-asap-851418/

Your best bet, if you are concerned, would be to contact security at the site in question. Obviously you also want to trade with someone who has a good history, and would be much less likely to have obtained fraudulent funds.

It was more prevalent when sites had echeck's as people were fronted the money and then they would dump it or transfer it and not honor the deposit. Echecks aren't around anymore but there is always stolen/fake credit cards and could be of some concern.

If your banned, you can't read threads anymore?

Hm, maybe you can, only cant respond. Not sure. Doesn really make a difference

So no big shock but I got a message from Chase today that my payment from Eric couldnt ne processed. Could anyone who got one of these tell me the earliest they received it.? I would love to know when Chase first realized this account didnt have funds to cover the xfers, and whether or not they continued to allow him to initiate xfers.

Date: 08-18-2011 09:03:40
From: Chase QuickPay Team
Subject: Your payment from ERIC FIELDS could not be processed.
Message:


We're unable to process this Chase Person-to-Person QuickPaySM payment from ERIC FIELDS (ericfields1984@yahoo.com). Please contact ERIC FIELDS for details.


Also, to anyone in contact with higher ups at Chase. It would be extremely helpful if when we go to accept a quickpay xfer, we could know whether or not it was coming from a chase account or a 3rd party bank.

It is a shame that this Eric Fields could steal so much so quickly. If cashouts were faster, this would never have happened. Because it is so hard to get money off sites, it has resulted in more scammers imo. If the US had regulated poker, would this be easier to prosecute.

ericlee1984 - 2+2, Pokerstars, merge and AP
elf8484 - RPM


Anyone can read this without logging in.
If he had ANY intentions of righting these wrongs he could create a new account and post here.


SharkScope verifies elf8484 lost $2256 Aug 10-16 in 252 tournies.

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I don't know why but somehow it seems scummier to scam the money then joy-ride with it.

He got 325 from me on carbon so he must either still have some left or lost it a cash. Actually watched him play a 80 dollar DON w my money yesterday

ericlee1984 10 -$25 $44 -64% -$249 - N/A Merge 8/12/2011 8/18/2011 SNG Only

Theres also an Ericleelee1984 on ss so i assume thats him on a different skin. Prob best to avoid any deals with that sn and add it to the do not trade list.

Doubt that is going to happen. It would be awesome to see him in handcuffs. He is terrible at poker and I am sure he is terrible at life as well. He lost all the money so a refund is probably not going to happen.

Is Merge unwilling to step in? Have you guys forwarded them all the evidence? Worth a shot, if you're watching him play games and he has any left.

Yeah. I mean that dude's money is going to be stuck there for at least the 3+ weeks like everyone else. And maybe they can be nice enough to give him the ban-hammer by popular request.

Yea, it's not always the case but sometimes the sites will step in. The thread I linked a few posts back is a good example of it. Cake's security did a heck of a job, and actually some people wound up "ahead: as Cake refunded people and FTP never collected because they were too slow to the whole thing.

Site's policies have been to not get involved, but if you can show evidence and pester them, and they are in the right mood, they might help.

Can randy h be banned or temp. banned?

He scammed streffert. Last login was 1am and has not bothered to respond at all to the allegations and he's a PM scammer. So deactivate PMs before he gets someone else.

This sucks for a lot of others like me who can only do bank transfers to receive funds, although maybe since that's opposite of what EricLee did, it's OK.

Can you xfer money across skins? I want to get some money off Colt and it's a Cake skin, but don't think too many players play here.

Can Euros put money into BoA or WF accounts, or do you need to do the GreenDot thing? I got on GreenDot's website and it doesn't explain very well what's going on. Do you get the physical card?