Wondering if anyone has any interest in swapping PPN$ in either direction? PPN is a cake skin which offers much faster withdrawals then Cake itself for all customers. I have not yet put $ on or created an account, just trying to find out if there is any interest out there in the community and ITT because I've never seen anyone post involving PPN.

Hey does anyone know the specifics of Chase Quickpay?

I don't have chase bank account, but I see many references to Quickpay in the transfer thread.

Can I still receive $$ at my own non-chase bank through Quickpay?

I signed up for it without a Chase bank - I believe you can receive Quickpay payments with it. I have never tried.

Only one of you needs a Chase account.

https://www.chase.com/online/services/quickpay.htm

HomeStar, can you explain a little why PPN has faster withdrawals? Also, do they have WU or MG for cashouts? If so I might be interested. thx

This post is regarding 'ericlee1984' and RPM SN elf8484. He's running a pretty big scam. I know he got myself and Director and probably a few other people judging from his Sharkscope.

I knew this was a scam right away, my problem was trusting Chase Bank. He wanted to trade me $100 RPM for $100 Chase which was a red flag right away...he didn't want any vig at all. Then he sent the Chase QuickPay payment and I sent the RPM. Later that night I was looking at something from the trade and got suspicious. This dude had recently done a bunch of GDMP transactions. But his last 4-5 posts were him wanting RPM and only wanting to give up 'Chase'. Nothing else, just Chase QuickPay money. So...I began to wonder what was up. I looked at his Sharkscope last 250 games. He was playing all $0.11 through $2.00 buyin SNGs. As soon as he did his first QuickPay trade with 2p2 member 'Director' he moved up to $20-$100 SNGs. After I sent him the $100 one of the first games he played was a $100 double or nothing.

I immediately PM'd Director and 2p2 mods. Then I called Chase. I asked them if they recorded all their phone calls, they said yes. I told them the situation. I said I was selling somebody something and I needed to know if there was any possible way this transaction wouldn't post to my account. She (the Chase rep) informed me that there wasn't any possible way the money wouldn't go into my account. She said the QuickPay sender isn't able to cancel a payment after I accept it. I told her that "Eric Fields" informed me the money was already deducted from his checking account and that he paid with a checking account and not a debit/credit card. I didn't know how this was possible from my extensive history of paying for things with checking account numbers. She said once the payment is sent they contact the senders bank to verify the funds and the bank takes the funds out of the senders account immediately, and THEN I'm given the option to accept the payment. So I trusted this and let Director know everything was safe with Chase QuickPay. As far as I know, he contacted Chase also and was told the same thing and then sent the remaining $260 (I believe) to "Eric".

Today I woke up with an e-mail from Chase letting me know that:

I then called Chase. This time they were glad to let me know that

A) Senders CAN cancel the payment after the receiver accepts it. (I actually think they're wrong about this part THIS time and not last time. I don't think you can cancel anything after the person accepts it.)

B) The senders payment CAN bounce.

C) The sender in this particular transaction sent the money from a fraudulent source. (He probably made up a fake bank account number).

So basically: Do not bank with Chase Bank. Seriously. Their customer service reps are misinformed/don't care about you/lie to you/etc.

Do NOT send any money to someone that sends you Chase QuickPay money until the funds are AVAILABLE in your checking account.

Do not deal with "Eric Fields", elf8484 (RPM), ericlee1984 (2p2).

The money he sent me is currently showing on my checking account as posted but there's a 2 day 'holding period'. It was supposed to be available in my account on the 19th, but obviously this isn't going to clear as I've already been informed of it.

Director, if you were also lied to on the phone by Chase I will be more than happy to get in contact with you as I already have 2 managers of the Supervisors in the online department calling me back sometime today. Just FYI this isn't even close to the biggest issue I've had with them in the last 2 weeks. Not even close. It's the only thing that has to do with losing money, though. But I do have a bigger 'case' against them overall.

Ugh ive done 2 trades with Eric Fields in the last two days. Thought that chase xfers were secure. **** me.

Let them call me, my issue is much bigger than yours. especially that I was told exactly the same.

PM me

Yes i thought he was a bad seed as well- he pmed me regarding the trade and i backed off the minute he said he would only use chase.

So is there anyway Chase can be made secure or does this situation expose the whole thing as "unsafe"?

Unless you wait for the money to be in your account wo any holds on it to ship back on the poker site, i wouldnt do trades with chase unless you explicitly trust the person.

This is true.

It is safe, if they have Chase bank account. then its irreversible.

If they dont, its different story

I just talked to Director over the phone. Any managers that are supposed to call me from Chase I'm going to inform them of him too. I'm going to tell them I was selling Eric Fields goods. If they ask me to be specific I'm just gonna respond with "What's the difference?" and not tell them anything. If they get me to any sort of place where I need to answer the question, which I doubt will happen, does anyone have any idea of what to say?

Director told me the total amount of his transfers to "Eric Fields" and he told me his first name. If you want to PM me this information for you as well I would be glad to let the manager know so he realizes how big this entire situation is, but I'd recommend calling yourself also...when/if you do call I do think we should all be dealing with the same Manager/supervisor/whatever so I will post their name as soon as one calls me. That'd make things more simple. I'm going to tell the manager that calls me "Eric" was ripping off a community of people and 70-90% of the money was sent AFTER Chase told Director and I the QuickPay money was safe and 100% in our hands within a few days. As far as I can tell the total he scammed was in the range of about $1900-$2500.

There is also something Mods should know...on the phone Director let me know that ericlee1984 was responding to PMs yesterday and acting helpful. (So obviously don't ban his 2p2 acct comopletely) As of yesterday, the first QuickPay transfer (from Eric to Director) was cancelled yesterday and the rest were still pending, and today they're all cancelled. He said yesterday Eric told him that the money was returned because his account had unsual activity or something?

The only possible way Eric is innocent here (it's highly unlikely):

From his recent posts I know he had a Greendot Visa card. These cards (I know because I bought one to cash out) have a thing for Direct Deposit on them. It's a routing # and account number and some crazy sounding Bank name assigned to it. But it works for deposits. It doesn't, however, work for withdrawals. There's a chance Eric didn't know this and used this as his bank account for Chase Quickpay and is actually innocent here and will be able to send us all moneypaks or go do a normal Chase deposit. Again, it's highly unlikely...but there's a chance.

Wow.

After that last post I made where I said people could feel free to send me their info I've received multiple PMs from scammed people. Right now between everyone the total is $2,575 and I'm pretty sure that's not gonna be the end of it. They all said the same exact thing, they called in and made sure these couldn't be reversed and now they're all being returned. Some still in process but will obviously be returned as well.

Chase did inform me the night I called to verify none of this could be reversed that all phone calls are recorded. Today they let me know that the phone calls are recorded for training purposes only and cannot be listened to for this (lol). But then, shockingly, another rep told me something different...that they can be listened to with a subpoena. So I have a few questions.

Does anyone know how much it would cost total to get a subpoena? I'm pretty sure this could all be combined to one case. If Chase got something like this and listened to the phone calls I'm pretty sure they'd opt to reimburse us rather than take this to court..they definitely won't win here. I'm gonna talk to whoever calls me but I honestly don't think they're gonna be able to do anything without listening to these numerous phone calls with all of us.

Also, is there a way we can find out this "Eric Fields" persons real info? I'm down to file a police report...I don't have much to do the next 3-4 days so I have plenty of time to sit on phone calls and go talk to police or whatever. I'm in Vegas so I dunno if I'm supposed to contact the police here or where "Eric" lives but I don't think there's a point of doing any of this without his real name is there?

You further agree not to use the Chase QuickPay Service to receive money from anyone to whom you are obligated for tax payments, payments made pursuant to court orders, fines, payments to loan sharks, gambling debts or payments otherwise prohibited by law.

I'm getting in contact with the Cedar Rapids, IA police department right now. I'll keep everyone updated.

Mods if you want to copy all relevant posts to its own thread, feel free.

as far as a subpoena goes, youre not going to be able to get one unless you undertake legal action against chase and you can prove its material to the discovery -- and that would prob be much more expensive than its worth.

Just as a note (and im coming in without reading the exact details, so ns if this could be the case) there have been similar problems with BOA where the sender got their account closed down and many of the payments got reversed after posting (the sender involved has a stellar reputation and made good on all the reversed funds) -- so unless this guy has had reasonable opportunity to see the problem and respond, it might not be him trying to scam it might be chase being dicks.

I called the police in Cedar Rapids, IA. They told me to call the Las Vegas, NV police (where I'm currently living). They said when I notify the Vegas police of a suspect in another state they will contact the necessary department to deal with any potential suspect. I called them and they gave me a number for a "cyber line" (this line was for internet crimes) and a detective from there is supposed to call me back.

So far one of the other victims has found an Eric Fields in his late twenties in Cedar Rapids, IA. I have personally found this:

http://www.intelius.com/results.php?...A&focusfirst=1

Says Eric L Fields in Cedar Rapids with a relative named Judith L Fields. So maybe try to contact Judith in order to get in touch with Eric?

FWIW Eric L Fields goes along with what I figured his name may be...Eric Lee Fields (ericlee1984 on 2p2, Eric Fields on Chase QuickPay). The other member who found an Eric Fields in his late twenties was probably a site similar to mine above that listed an age...late twenties goes along with the 1984 in his username.

Once I hear back from the detective I'll post any info I get.

I talked to Chase for 3 hours again and they are of no help at all. If I talk to them again, which I doubt, I'm just gonna go into the branch and have the person there call the people for me so they can deal with the runaround I get. It's not fair for us to sit on the phone for 5 hours and get 0 done, that's just ridiculous.

Edit: Looked more into Judith L Fields, she's 59. If he's 26 or 27 as we believe she is most likely his mother. There's a bigger list of relatives now from looking at her list.

Judith L Fields 59

Hiawatha, IA
Cedar Rapids, IA
Bettendorf, IA

Adam Ashley Fields
Eric L Fields
Keith M Fields
Richard E Fields

For that scum to post Chase's policy basically means admission of guilt. He's basically rubbed the bank's policy in your face to say there's nothing you can do to file a case against him.

Don't give him any benefit of doubt.


So it's good he got banned so he can't scam more people. If he was innocent, he would've posted/communicated differently.

And what do you make of it? Its not a gambling debt. Obviously.

Scam is a scam. Police doesnt really care how you scammed people. All thy care that you did.

There are pm's on 2+2, ip addresses, logs of transfers,
chase will cooperate as well once cops will be involved. RPM will too. These days its reall easy to find out where the person lives as well. Dont get surprised if cops will knock on your door one day.

Cyber crime is really big deal these days and cops are cracking down on it.

Im not leaving this stay like this. If a guy thinks he is so smart, good for him. We will see who will laugh last. I dont really even care about the money. If i will have to pay as much as i lost here to get his guy caught, its absolutely fine with me.

The most unfortunate why all this happened is Chase sfupid reps, who have no clue what they are talking about. I personally called them and that exact info they gave me as they gave to chiefsfan. So this scam wasn't really preventable, since bank t self says one thing and does the other. Also, there were few members, and even a mod, who said it just takes some time for funds to show up on your account.
Oh well. No lets focuse on this d-bag.

Hiding behind this is no good in regards to the law for Eric Fields. If I'm reading it correctly, this just keeps Chase safe from people doing fraudulent activity. There may be more in the Chase agreement, but this section does not mean he cannot be held criminally responsible for his actions.

I'm not sure if you can, but try posting this in the poker legislation forum if it's allowed. There are members with much more legal experience than me who might be able to interpret it better. Or even tell you what charges he could possibly face.

Im pretty sure they dont let you use uncleared funds for quickpay... the situation im envisioning is this (and i know for a fact it has happened to ppl with boa)

Eric has a chase account, and he is using it to send chase quickpay. His balance is sufficient to send this money (because it has to be)

Chase either finds out hes involved in gambling or just has a problem with so many transactions and decide to close his account with no notice. In the proccess, they also reverse all pending transactions.

I'm not syaing this is what happened -- i am saying ive seen this happen with BOA before with someone who I am 99.99999% sure was innocent of any wrongdoing (a very very very well known and respected trader from australia)

edit -- i did not realize it was him who posted that. yeah pretty scummy and hes definitely guilty. But i still stand by that it could have happened to someone who is innocent and just got screwed by the bank. It is quite obvious now that this is not the case.

PPN is one of the "better" cake skins because they use their own cashier system and it has been reported that they are alot faster. From what I've seen, the timeline they give in their cashier seems to be accurate. 5-7 days for a money order via USPS and 3-5 day for a WU Xfer. 24 HRs for Neteller and 2-4 days for Moneybookers. 1-2 days for cashing out via PIC Club or MyPayLinq.

Damn that Eric guy got away with a lot.

What is considered a gambling debt anyway? Giving money on an online poker account is that considered a gambling debt or is that considered a loan?

I swear he should never be allowed to play poker again.