You possibly had second thoughts and changed it immediately but I got an older version because server was slow to update. Whether you did that or used the vbulletin mod plugin to change the date of an edit is really immaterial.

We both know what you wrote and what I responded to, let's just leave it at that.

He gives out way too many infractions.. But to say someone who puts countless hours into something he doesn't get paid for has any responsibility or neglect is ridiculous.. He / other mods are pretty quick in making sure this forum is about as safe as it can be. It is still on individuals to use common sense / try to request some sort of escrow or vouch/protection from reputable users.

Ok. I didn't know. I'll check this thread from now on.

Holy ****, dude. I was just going to let this go, but not now.

My thoughts about the two highlighted accusations above can be summarized in two words. **** you. Seriously, **** you. Mike spends thousands of hours trying to keep people from getting scammed, and you're going to accuse him of ****ing lying and using a plug-in to cover it up? WTF is wrong with you??

Mike edited the post over an hour after making it, and clearly before you posted. There was no "ninja-editing" going on (do you even know what that means?), and there was no use of a plug-in to hide it. I get that you were probably replying to a post that was changed after you started it - that's happened to me before as well. Pretty easy to start typing a reply, then come back 10 minutes later to finish it off only to find the post was edited. Happens to me. So you're right, knowing it was edited and seeing what it was, your post makes a lot more sense. You should have just left it at that, and kept your bullshit theories to yourself.

BTW, just so no one else is left wondering what this horrible thing might have been that was edited out - Mike replied to rickroll's suggestion about whether there was "anyway to contact the people he's traded with in the past" by saying that one could search the thread for the SNs and PM everyone. That's what apparently required a snarky reply - I guess the time Mike already spends here volunteering isn't enough, and it's now his job to PM all those people. And as it turns out, that's precisely what he took the time to do, and then edited his post to reflect that - before rickroll's unneeded sarcasm.

This.

Although I don't agree about too many infractions. P2P transfers is something that Mike unquestionably moderates harshly. I support him in this, and try to follow his lead on the rare occasions I help out with them. Scammers suck, they need to be stopped, and so the rules around transfers are very, very tightly enforced.

Absolutely. I'm hoping fanaticnyc does the right thing in the next 36 hours or that is going to get ugly for him.

I'll update that fiasco Monday.

you're making a mountain out of a molehill

i simply stated that i clearly saw and responded to the original post and listed two possibilities that explain how the timelines don't make sense

yes, we should be grateful to mods in general, it's a largely thankless job without pay that is necessary but that doesn't mean it then makes it ok for a mod to unilaterally decide that nobody can use paypal on 2p2 and randomly infract people who are using it not even in his threads under absurd pretenses

paypal is a standard form of exchange here for both staking and sporting events settling and it's absurd for him to randomly infract people for using it because it's a violation of his thread rules when they were not even using his thread

i found it funny mike would dedicate so much effort on meaningless and ultimately contentious power trip bs and then have such a flippant "why don't you go do it then" response when an actual scam, the thing he claims his overeach is all about, takes place

i've said my piece on this, will not further derail

TurnerBPoker still has not made any payments or took any efforts to make the situation right. He still owes me $2,000.

Do not send first to him and be careful with making a trade with him.

From what i have seen in this and the high stakes thread transfer thread 99% of scams originate from 2020 created accounts or 10-15 year old accounts that are dormant for 10 years then suddenly become active again. The old accounts are being targeted by probably the same single hacker.

Mr "2 posts merged" has his draconian modding style in this thread and thats fine. But infracting the people who clearly aren't scamming in any way and just forgot to put a username in one post having done it before hardly seems effective to me.

Some sort of inactivity lockout of old accounts would do a good job of stopping scams so if you don't log into 2+2 for 12 months for example your account is temp-banned and you need to verify your email address again or something along those lines. How many people are coming back to a forum if they don't log in for a year? Not sure how technically challenging this would be thats not my department but telegram has the same feature and its a great security mechanism imo.

On the flip side whats wrong with only being allowed to use the transfer thread once your account is 6 months old? Your account needs to be that old to APPLY to use the marketplace and then you need to get past bobo <3. It seems counter intuitive that i can create a throwaway account tomorrow make 15 random one word posts in random threads then be able to participate in the transfer thread.

A few months ago I warned some people including a mod here about this guy but I couldn't find definitive proof of a scam.

However, there was enough information to suspect this guy has scammed people here in the past and it was only a matter of time until he did it again.

I will admit that I get a little heated when someone calls a mod's integrity into question for no reason, especially one that works as hard on transfer scams as Mike does. But I think you being upset about your own infractions is preventing you from seeing clearly what transpired in this thread.

Ah, yeah, about that...there was the perfectly logical explanation that "You possibly had second thoughts and changed it immediately but I got an older version because server was slow to update.", and then your absurd one "or used the vbulletin mod plugin to change the date of an edit". Accompanied by this game where you act as if it's all innocent, and you aren't suggesting Mike is lying and being deceitful. In the post, you say it "is really immaterial" (um, then why bring it up?), and here in this latest post you just say that you "listed two possibilities that explain how the timelines don't make sense". You're not just innocently listing two possibilities. You're being an *******, I assume because you're upset about your infractions for another matter.

"In general", "largely thankless", "but"...yeah, sounds good.

1) Nothing was decided unilaterally.
2) There has been no decision that nobody can use Paypal on 2+2. Of course, you already know that, since you asked Mike and he very clearly told you that he's only concerned with Payapl with regard to p2p trades.
3) Decisions to infract people aren't "random".

Hey, I get that you believe it's harsh to infract someone for inquiring via PM whether someone is willing to trade for Paypal. It is. But countless people have been scammed via Paypal transaction reversals, so we're extremely proactive about preventing them. "ultimately contentious power trip bs" - um, no.

This is a good opportunity for you to try an exercise of seeing things from another person's perspective. We know absolutely nothing about you. Maybe you're in a bad way and have now decided to scam people before exiting 2+2. You could have sent out 10 or 20 (or more) PMs to people looking to trade Paypal with them, with the plan to reverse after you sent. That's why, when someone tells us they received an unsolicited PM asking if they want to trade for Paypal, we don't simply tell them since it's via PM, it doesn't concern us. And as for why it's an infraction rather than a simple PM - an infraction remains in your profile where mods and admins (only) can see it, so if the problem repeats, they're aware that it's happened before. And for you, it's just some points that expire, so if you're not going around getting infractions everywhere, it won't affect you.

People love to go to the "power-tripping mods" explanation when it's usually far simpler and less nefarious.

This is not a "filppant 'why don't you go do it then' response":

"is there anyway to contact the people he's traded with in the past ..."

"Search for his SN in the Transfers thread and PM the successful traders."

Bobo you can't see the forest for the trees here and at this point we'll have to agree we have very different perspectives on how people should interact with each other.

This is a community, something I think you and Mike fail to remember sometimes.

I traded with him as well, he sent me Zelle, I sent him ACR
Hopefully he can not reverse it. But I think zelle keeps name of sender

Same. From what I understand, to scam someone on Zelle, you need to cash a fake check and get credited the funds. Then when the check bounces, the funds are clawed back from the person sent the funds. I would imagine if you traded with him over 2 weeks ago, you are likely in the clear, with Zelle specifially.

Are apple pay and Zelle the only reliable trading methods then?

I know CashApp, Venmo, and of course PayPal can be reversed.

I would go with Zelle and Bitcoin.

I sent $500 ACR to ACR-- HHHENDRICKS on 7/27/2020 at 16:42:51 MST.

I haven't received venmo or Zelle.

He says it shows on his P2P on his end, but the funds haven't been released.
I have two emails from ACR support saying that he received the money on 7/27 at 16:42 MST.

Not sure what to do.

ACR says he needs to contact them. All I know is I'm out $500 ACR and both Hendricks and ACR are saying contradicting things. One says he received the money--and the other says they can see the money was sent but he doesn't have it. I can provide screenshots of the emails.

Can confirm that TheUltimatePrinces sent $500 but it has not been added to my available balance despite now showing as ‘approved’. Seems to be some confusion as it was initially held as pending and his P2P (player to player) was blocked when he tried to make a 2nd transaction. Have contacted ACR again, not exactly the worlds foremost customer service experts and have said to them please return the $500 to him if it’s the quickest way to resolve. If they add to my balance I will immediately forward the Zelle/Venmo. Have explained to TUP that I’m now at work and have no access to ACR until later now but that it will be resolved, we have been in constant comms so no issue there.

Ok, we've been in touch and he is making a payment plan with myself in the middle. Said things happened and does not have it, will make it right, etc.... He also came to me directly to try and get it resolved.

He sent first payment as stated and, while it will take some time, terms were accepted and it was clear there would be real issues if they go astray since I gave my word to the two people he owes that it will be paid back.

Can confirm, this is what's happening on my end. Awaiting to hear what Hendricks gets back from ACR customer service... they did take 24 hours to respond to me the first time I emailed them.

Also, my P2P which was blocked for my second transaction was blocked due to it being done on a new device and IP. ACR temporarily blocked my P2P access after my second p2p and denied that transaction which was refunded to my account. They restored my P2P function it this morning. Just FYI, so that that is clear.

I don't want an infraction in the main thread for not fully understand etiquette, so I'll post here first to make sure.

I have successfully traded with isildurrrr111.
He sent first to me $500 via Zelle.
I sent him $399 on Stars and $101 via Skrill.
His Stars screenname is isildurrrr111. My Stars screenname is JCFGauss.

Is that the correct formatting?

Yes; bar the Zelle for Skrill, which isn't permitted in the Transfers thread. (The thread is to help players get money on and off poker sites. It's not for general banking requirements.)

You could shorten it to something like:

Traded with isildurrrr111 (PS isildurrrr111)
He sent $400 Zelle first.
I sent £399 PS (JCFGauss)

Update: I had asked Hendricks on a couple of occasions last week, for proof that he indeed did contact ACR CS and that there was a technical error. A screenshot of an email exchange where he told ACR that the funds hadn't released to his account and that he wanted the funds sent back to my account would've sufficed; and would've been resolution enough for me. He never directly answered this request, nor produced any form of evidence to support his story. Additionally, there were some details in his story (told to me through PM's) that contradicted each other.

I have not received $500. I sent $500 to him on ACR last Monday.

Edit/MH: ACR HHHENDRICKS

FINAL UPDATE:

2+2 Hendricks
ACR - HHHENDRICKS

The $500 has been returned to my ACR account. Not sure what the story is... but I have my money back.

Sounds like he used your funds to gamble hoping to win and didn’t. Then paid you back. I’ve never heard of missing P2P transfer on ACR. I could be wrong but seems odd.

Glad to hear you got funds back.

On rare occasions there is a p2p glitch in which funds will be completely in limbo (usually the p2p client will time out and produce an error message) and there will be no message in the cashier or p2p client.

There are other occasions where a transfer will be pulled from the sender and shown as "Processing" This is also a stuck transfer and the funds are in limbo; however, there is a record that an initiation was made.

Without a staff member clarifying this, you have no way of proving one way or the other.