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Old 08-10-2011, 02:13 AM   #51
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I have a quick question. If im sending some1 cash on a merge site, and in return receiving money by Western Union, how do I receive this money? Do I need to go to a local western union and they will give me the cash or is there another way? Thanks in advance.
Yes, you would go to your local WU location (make sure you can receive funds there not just send funds) and you will have to provide the MTCN # as well as photo ID most likely.

Do a general Google search on receiving WU funds, or head to the WU website under FAQ I'm sure this is on there.
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Old 08-10-2011, 02:26 AM   #52
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ya thats what i thought. was curious why people selling cake for such low rates
+1, I now refuse to sell for less than .75, especially since cashouts seem to be improving, luckily I can wait. I would advise all cake regs to stop undervaluing their money so much. It makes the rest of us look like idiots when you are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.
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+1, I now refuse to sell for less than .75, especially since cashouts seem to be improving, luckily I can wait. I would advise all cake regs to stop undervaluing their money so much. It makes the rest of us look like idiots when you are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.
LOL...its supply and demand...when was the last time someone got .75 for a bankwire
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Old 08-10-2011, 03:46 AM   #54
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Please help me understand the main reason people trade. I've always been curious. Assuming you are non-American and have no issues linking a bank account, and can deposit withdraw without hassle.

Why trade when you can withdraw, have the money in 1-2 days in your bank account, and able to deposit to another site?
With e-wallets it is instant.
Is everyone a high roller trying to move 50 grand+ and trading because deposit limits?

Sorry if my questions adds no value to this discussion, I'm just curious.
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:30 AM   #55
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I've never understood it either, especially with eWallets available.
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I have a quick question. If im sending some1 cash on a merge site, and in return receiving money by Western Union, how do I receive this money? Do I need to go to a local western union and they will give me the cash or is there another way? Thanks in advance.
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I'm also interested in hearing about WU. I'm trying to get money offline and really only have BOA as an option. Someone did offer me WU, but I've never used any of WU's services so I have no idea if they provide proof of sending or anything like that. Couldn't find anything using the search so any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Yes, you would go to your local WU location (make sure you can receive funds there not just send funds) and you will have to provide the MTCN # as well as photo ID most likely.

Do a general Google search on receiving WU funds, or head to the WU website under FAQ I'm sure this is on there.
Mostly what Turb0 said, esp. the bolded. Just locate a local branch or two and ask them. Here's the agent locator link or just go to WU site.

https://wumt.westernunion.com/WUCOMW...xtSecurePage=Y

Here's what they got on the site:

"Pick Up Money at an Agent location

  1. Find a nearby Western Union® Agent location.
  2. Fill out the yellow Receive form. Be sure to get the Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN) from the person who sent you money.
  3. Give the Agent clerk your completed form and provide identification.
  4. Review and sign the receipt the Agent clerk gives you.
  5. Receive money."
You can, technically, "track" the transfer online here before going to the branch:

https://wumt.westernunion.com/WUCOMW...xtSecurePage=Y

But someone could either give you their name and MTCN when they actually sent it to someone else or cancel the transaction (not sure if this can be done, but probably can be) so don't send once you see online the funds are available. Make sure you actually go in and pickup the funds and then ship online.

Essentially, make sure to get a MTCN from the person you're trading with. Pickup money first, then send once you have funds in hand/in account. Don't really ship online, when you just have a MTCN as someone could just make that up or still scam as explained above.

In general for WU transfers (or any method you're not familiar with), find someone who's willing to send first and you can send once you have the funds.


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Please help me understand the main reason people trade. I've always been curious. Assuming you are non-American and have no issues linking a bank account, and can deposit withdraw without hassle.

Why trade when you can withdraw, have the money in 1-2 days in your bank account, and able to deposit to another site?
With e-wallets it is instant.
Is everyone a high roller trying to move 50 grand+ and trading because deposit limits?

Sorry if my questions adds no value to this discussion, I'm just curious.
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I've never understood it either, especially with eWallets available.
Few reasons people trade, but since you mentioned for non-Americans, I'll just mention some for those. US trading, currently, is mainly for cashflow reasons like what site is more dependable for cashing out for your particular choice of cashout and bunch of reasons like that.

1. Some people might be doing it just to get familiar with the transfer services/building a trading reputation to get references and some people 'trading'/posting to scam (not a large % of people) .

2. Some people do trade for profits. If someone, for whatever reason wants money at another site and cannot deposit there, they'll be willing to pay a vig and there are people who'll do this for them. Supply and Demand.

Now the reasons why someone is not able to, or not willing to, deposit on any given site are many.

3. I don't know how quick the withdrawals are processed for non-Americans, we know the transfers between sites are quick, then people would want to trade for a vig if they want the money quicker. As you mentioned 1-2 days for processing, sometimes you just want the money instantly, which is possible through trading.

4. Some people might want to trade if they have extra funds in a particular ewallet and if that ewallet is not an acceptable form of deposit at a site.

Say, you have extra Neteller and don't want to bother with opening Moneybookers and much rather get rid of the extra Neteller (and this is just an example and I'm not familiar with the common deposit methods and what options sites have and don't have as deposit options), then you're probably just going to get rid of the extra Neteller.

5. Sometimes, if you don't have enough funds in your ewallet and/or don't want to go through the cashout-deposit cycle, then you can skip a step by trading between sites.

Say you only have $1k in wallet account and $4k on Stars and want to deposit $2k on Lock. Instead of requesting a $1k cashout from Stars, wait a couple of days for it to process and then go through the deposit method, you can just use the site transfer services, which are pretty much instant for most part.

6. Same if you see a juicy game running or see a soft spot or want to try out a new site and want to deposit instantly, sometimes you just can't afford to lose time between cashout-deposit steps.

7. Sometimes, it does have to do with the deposit/withdrawal limits at either the sites or the wallets.

8. Some people could do it to avoid tracking. Bank accounts and wallets have statements and if for whatever reason, a family member or a backer is only checking those and not the site transfer history, then people can do the site transfers.

9. Same for cash transactions. Say your friend has cash and doesn't want to deposit (could be for various reasons) and only want to deposit on Mint and you only have Stars, you could ship to their Mint for cash.

10. Sometimes it has to do with deposit limits. Say a site has a minimum deposit of $100 for Western Union and that's the only method you currently have available. People can opt for something like a green dot where they can just deposit $50 if they can't deposit the $100 (this is more of a US scenario due to limited deposit options).

I'd say the more common reasons are if someone wants funds instantly at a particular site or not familiar/not willing to open new accounts on ewallets or have excess funds in a particular account.

Everyone's situation is different. Not all these will apply to you, at any given time but it could in the future given changing dynamics with the sites/for your own personal reasons but these are some of the reasons you might be seeing trading activity.

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Old 08-10-2011, 10:01 AM   #57
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+1, I now refuse to sell for less than .75, especially since cashouts seem to be improving, luckily I can wait. I would advise all cake regs to stop undervaluing their money so much. It makes the rest of us look like idiots when you are selling for 50 cents on the dollar.
Supply and demand my friend. If cake $ is worth $0.75 and you buy it for $0.50 that is 50% ROI. If you get paid in full in 3 months that is what 600% annual yield. At 600% annual return you could turn $10K "investment" into $77M in 5 years without playing a single hand of poker. Usually markets don't make mistakes that allow that kind of return.

The P2P thread is a market of sorts. When market disagrees with you there might be a reason. It doesn't matter if you believe DOW should be at 15,000 or 5,000 right now. The market disagrees.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:04 AM   #58
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I've never understood it either, especially with eWallets available.
Why do people pay ATM fees? With better cashflow management they could avoid ever paying a fee. Average American pays $80 in ATM fees per year. In a lifetime that is >$4000 in unnecessary fees.

I see p2p thread as fulfilling a similar "need".
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:13 AM   #59
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looking to buy $1k on cake(pantypuddles) for $500 on moneybookers WU, or stars bdiddy1313
hey just received an email from sutsakas2008@hotmail.com from an account kuristik which has 0 posts here asking me to send first to his moneybookers account ainajuur@hotmail.com when i asked for his cake name or to post in this thread he never responded again and when i googled his email i found this
http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showth...eteller-or-WMZ
his account is banned on this site just a heads up! his name is Aina Juur
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:49 AM   #60
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Passing this on, haven't seen this scumbag mentioned on 2+2 yet.
"Hawaiisgreat" on Merge (not sure which skin) is a SCAMMER!!! Do not stake, trade with, or even interact with this dingleberry. He's in Merge MTTs all the time, and has also been shown to share hand information and collude with other players.

http://www.pocketfives.com/f10016/ha...1150-a-643915/
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hey just received an email from sutsakas2008@hotmail.com from an account kuristik which has 0 posts here asking me to send first to his moneybookers account ainajuur@hotmail.com when i asked for his cake name or to post in this thread he never responded again and when i googled his email i found this
http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showth...eteller-or-WMZ
his account is banned on this site just a heads up! his name is Aina Juur
He's been banned here and at exchangemoneyforum many times.

Found the link https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post26442464

Billaivi on Full Tilt,
Madis Very on Full Tilt,
MatthFrost on Stars
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He's also this 2+2 account https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/139073/, ban as well please?

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Old 08-10-2011, 01:36 PM   #62
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Someone upthread mentioned Amazon Payments as a possible method of trade.
Just wanted to warn people that Amazon Payments can be reversed.


Would be very easy to get scammed.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:48 PM   #63
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Does anyone know if there is a way to cancel a cash transfer once it's been sent? So He/she could ship me the monies on WU.. And then I ship to him on the poker site and he cancels before I can get there to pick it up?
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Does anyone know if there is a way to cancel a cash transfer once it's been sent? So He/she could ship me the monies on WU.. And then I ship to him on the poker site and he cancels before I can get there to pick it up?
Check out PSU's post on the previous page of this thread regarding WU transactions.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=56
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:22 PM   #65
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Yea I looked at it and it has a lot of good info.. But he says he's not sure if it's possible to do it but it might be. So i wonder if anyone else actually knows, thanks in advance
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Yea I looked at it and it has a lot of good info.. But he says he's not sure if it's possible to do it but it might be. So i wonder if anyone else actually knows, thanks in advance
Taking back any transfer once it's placed can be a slippery slope, but it is possible. Not saying it is possible through WU, however I would check with a local WU rep either by phone or entering a branch and voicing your concerns and making sure you get the answer you're looking for before going forward with whatever you plan to do in regards to WU transactions.
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Does anyone know if there is a way to cancel a cash transfer once it's been sent? So He/she could ship me the monies on WU.. And then I ship to him on the poker site and he cancels before I can get there to pick it up?
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Check out PSU's post on the previous page of this thread regarding WU transactions.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=56
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Yea I looked at it and it has a lot of good info.. But he says he's not sure if it's possible to do it but it might be. So i wonder if anyone else actually knows, thanks in advance
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Taking back any transfer once it's placed can be a slippery slope, but it is possible. Not saying it is possible through WU, however I would check with a local WU rep either by phone or entering a branch and voicing your concerns and making sure you get the answer you're looking for before going forward with whatever you plan to do in regards to WU transactions.

Theoretically, the sender would have to have the option to cancel (if the receiver hasn't picked up the money yet, obviously).

Say you send it to someone and they plan on picking it up tomorrow and something happens, they never pick it up. Obviously you'd be able to get your money back. WU wouldn't really keep unclaimed transactions. Based on that example alone, I'm sure they'd have to have a cancel policy.


Here's a link I got for how to go about canceling:

https://thewesternunion.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/118/~/how-do-i-cancel-a-money-transfer-%28mtcn%29%3F

"How do I cancel (stop) a Money Transfer( MTCN)?

In order to cancel or stop a money transfer, please go to or click on Email Us . Select General Questions from the Drop down Menu and for Type of Inquiry select Assistance with a Money Transfer. In the Subject line say money transfer to be cancelled and provide the following information in the Question field. Money transfer control number,Date of Money transfer, Sender First Name and Last Name, Senders city and State, Receiver First Name and Last Name, Receiving/destination country, Dollar amount of money transfer.
Money transfers can only be stopped or cancelled if they have not been paid to the receiver. Do not provide Money Transfer details to some one you do not know.

If you need you immediate assistance, please call 1-800-325-6000 and make sure you have the information above available."


But yeah, in general, as mentioned earlier, don't really ship money on site before collecting funds.
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How about everyone learns to trade safely, with sense, and integrity. Rather than about setting up overly protectionist rules and worrying about what could, possibly, happen if someone skipped other steps (IE; traded with someone they don't know, trust, or without any reputation) and ruin it for everyone else.

I've long said this but there's always people who don't get it or don't care: If you are worried about someone reversing a transfer, or someone scamming you in any way, you should not be trading with that person. Simple.

To be 100% honest, I'm surprised Mike Haven decided to disallow PayPal, as he full well understands there are idiots at every turn where no matter what you do for them and how hard you try to save them from themselves, will inevitably be scammed. I'm guessing he did it as a way to try and protect people from themselves, but if we continue to go down this path because of a few bad apples, it will ruin it for everyone, so not only are we all trying to save the few dumbasses who don't care to save themselves and wasting time, but we lose freedoms in the process.

It's just about to the point where I would wholeheartedly support a rule where if you get scammed, and it's your fault (by being lazy, careless, or other) then you should be banned along with the scammer and not allowed to use the thread anymore and hurt other's chances of having a nice place to complete trades.

Also, people who get scammed because they are careless or are idiots, make scamming profitable and thus support scammers and keep them coming back. YOU make the thread and trading more risky.

We have tried the part of selflessly guarding and caring for those who can not care for themselves, but it's about high time we go another direction because again, no matter what you do for certain people it will not matter and they are a negative asset to the trading community, arguably as much as scammers are.

/ harshness but I guarantee mods and others who have donated their time to this **** for years know exactly what I am saying and are giving a little nod of agreement.

Maybe the trading thread needs to be a privilege. I don't know if the forum's software has this sort of function, but if it could be made so someone has to take a test, and pass it, and sign a disclaimer stating if they get scammed due to negligence that they will lose their privilege to trade, maybe that would help stamp out any problems and concerns.

They'll be better equipped and if they do get scammed then it's their fault and we wont have to continue to justify overly protective measures that limit freedom, all in the name of these same people that are the continued root of all the rules, time spent, and market for scammers. You could make it 2 strikes and your out, with the first strike being a probation period with the non-ability to use the thread during it.

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It's just about to the point where I would wholeheartedly support a rule where if you get scammed, and it's your fault (by being lazy, careless, or other) then you should be banned along with the scammer and not allowed to use the thread anymore and hurt other's chances of having a nice place to complete trades.
Haha, I can certainly understand the sentiment behind this and don't entirely disagree. Unfortunately, the end result would most likely be negative as people would say nothing when they were scammed, and we'd never get rid of the scummy scammers.
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A deal was reached and I went out and bought a moneypak - and have not received word for 4 days. How long is standard to wait before I should try to trade it with someone else?
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Haha, I can certainly understand the sentiment behind this and don't entirely disagree. Unfortunately, the end result would most likely be negative as people would say nothing when they were scammed, and we'd never get rid of the scummy scammers.
lol, good point. And if it wasn't entirely apparent, the above posts were a bit tilt induced Sorry about that guys...

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Old 08-11-2011, 09:29 AM   #72
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I'm surprised Mike Haven decided to disallow PayPal, as he full well understands there are idiots at every turn where no matter what you do for them and how hard you try to save them from themselves, will inevitably be scammed.
Paypal expressly prohibits gambling transactions. Now if you want to take the risk and do it anyways that is one thing. However an entity like 2p2 has assets and allowing (and even facilitating) members to violate paypal's terms opens them up to liability (both from paypal and from players).

Given there are alternatives that don't prohibit gambling transactions it makes perfect sense for 2p2 to support violating other companies terms and conditions.

It would be similar to having a subform where Americans can discuss strategies to get around methods designed to keep them off poker sites (vpn, fake identification, getting false address in another country, etc).
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:17 AM   #73
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If you guys trade money from a poker account for a Green Dot Money Package, whats the best way to use it? I was gunna move it to my paypal but theres a limit of $250 max a year
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:27 AM   #74
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The moneypak goes directly to a prepaid debit card.
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What Howie L said. It goes to a Green Dot card. Also, you need to go through a step or two of verification on paypal to up that limit. My paypal is unlimited. I thin3k it's when you tie a bank account to it, and give your social security number.

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Do not load your card too frequently. Do not load it more than twice a week, IMO. Amount does not seem to be an issue, but frequency is. If you load it too often via moneypaks, you will have your account closed and will be banned from Green Dot services and unable to be a card member ever again

This also goes for Netspend transfers, except amounts matter on netspend much more than frequency and netspend will only take your ability to transfer away, or limit it, rather than close your account like GD.

To further highlight GD's policy, I know a guy who loaded less than 1k in a month but had his account closed because he did many loads of $20 or whatever. GD even had a promo where they would wave their monthly fee if you loaded 1k in a month or more, so again, it's not amounts so much as it is sheer frequency.

DeathAndTaxes, I saw your post in my email update and I'm pretty sure I know why you deleted it and also want to TY for doing that, because you indeed have a point, but it's detrimental to us if we were to hardline that point and go that road..

A vague rebuttal just to be sure we are on the same page is that the other options we are discussing also expressly "p g t's"... and if we used that reasoning their would be no trading, or very little (only site to site) and even then some sites don't endorse trading between sites and an argument could be made that 2p2 can't support that either.

BTW, I think you're a smart cookie and a great poster and I didn't reply ideally and was a little tilted, it had nothing to do with your post etc.

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